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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 20:05:43 GMT 10
Looks good and ready for testing it in Easter.
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Post by 78466noM on Feb 27, 2017 9:43:11 GMT 10
looks excellent that should give no problems that can be seen. You may look at bracing the back that juts out but what looks like a long distance in video or pic's may only be very short. the bottom bunk in the millard had to be braced at back as the front has a very steep concave in it .looks like you leap froged way in front of me this time .
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 27, 2017 11:39:11 GMT 10
Yes the rear timber overhang is no issue at all, being a 90mm wide piece. I did however already add a side piece (4mm marine ply left over) to provide the same rigidity as I had on the right side. Even tho there was minimal movement I thought ill just do it anyway. Next up is to get some struts for the top.
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Post by Rattles on Feb 27, 2017 13:04:52 GMT 10
 Tas - This is the usual method of securing the overhang. But you have used the 90mm section timber, however you did check the out thus reducing the effective width of the 90mm timbers. Keep the Videos Coming. Rattles |
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 27, 2017 13:16:08 GMT 10
The two main alloy runners on the bed top is where the body weight will be at, so this takes the brunt whilst the outer section doesnt. This is how i designed it to minimise sag.
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 27, 2017 16:04:47 GMT 10
GAS STRUTS - you would think it would be a simple enough way to figure this out! OK, so I cannot, and cant find an answer in Google. So I am trying to figure out what length/weight I need and here is what I calculated so far: Bed lid width (as it lifts on its side, not from the back) = 1400mm Weighted on scales at 450mm from hinge = 30kg (this is where I think the top of the strut will be mounted) Lift required = appr 50 degrees So Caravans Plus have many to chose from at a reasonable price. However, what do I get, is it 2 X 150N or 2 X 300N?? I cannot find the answer anywhere! I am also looking at long ones, 800mm extended struts and I will place them similar to this:  So can anyone help me to determine what would be the best option? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 17:06:16 GMT 10
All you need including the bits here Struts Q&a How to measure how to fit what size strut  |
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Post by Rattles on Feb 27, 2017 17:27:32 GMT 10
I just checked out the struts on my double bed in my 2000 Millard,
the struts are the 300nm x 600mm ones, My bed orientation is the
same as the picture you posted and the struts a orientated the same,
the strut connects to the bed about 1/3 from the hinge and when
fully open is angled at right angles to the bed frame, and the
bed pivot point is about 50mm below the bed frame when closed
(ie the strut is pushing the bed down when the bed is down)
Hope this helps
Rattles
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Post by 78466noM on Feb 28, 2017 1:13:49 GMT 10
I was lucky I miss out on the strut sager nearly had it but the mattress is too tall to have the bed base so no under bed storage this also keeps the weight away from the very rear mattress weighs about 30kg and the short base I made that was sitting on a frame weighs about 15kg
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 28, 2017 6:28:04 GMT 10
I estimate the bed base and top is no more than 20kg all up, and adding a high density foam mattress will keep the weight down. OK, so I finally found a document online that says the halve the weight of the strut if using two (makes sense, but needed confirmation). This is the document here |
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 3, 2017 15:54:05 GMT 10
Finally, another milestone achieved! Today I got the Viscount registered  Leaving home to the weigh bridge  At the weigh bridge  On the way to the inspection place... unfortunately didnt get any more photos afterwards. Note I havent as yet put the WDBs on it.  Specs: caravan hitched to Disco: 1310kg, unhitched: 1460kg. I have however put everything in, annexe, poles, spare tyre, water hoses and I added the gel battery to compensate for not having gas bottles in place. Next tasks are to fix the hatch lid, get some curtains, install a pvc pipe for annexe poles storage and then, get starting on the bathroom. Cheers, |
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Post by 78466noM on Mar 3, 2017 22:26:27 GMT 10
The biggy is off the list after now it is mechanically passed as sound the rest can be done as you use it.For a duel axle it is fairly light still overweight for the falcon what did the make the aggregate weight.
the disco and van look good together.
I should get more time to get mine done soon as work is changing just means my week ends are two days midweek.
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 4, 2017 7:06:30 GMT 10
I think he added 200kg above, which doesnt sound like much but i dont intent to carry much anyway. For example we may not put a water tank but take it with us in the disco while travelling. Keep it up with yours, bonus of having mid week break is that shops are open 😉
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Post by 78466noM on Mar 4, 2017 9:23:07 GMT 10
I thought it should have been up around 2.5ton if it has 45mm square axles and 14inch light truck tyres from what I can work out mine should be 1500kg being the lowest weight capacity is the axle at 1500kg it is a 45mm solid square axle rated at 1500kg tyres are 650kg each the springs eye to eye and I assume they match the axle can't seem to find anything on how to determine carrying capacity of springs and I have ford bearings that also have a higher carrying capacity then the Holden bearings. though if yours are 40mm they are rated at 1000kg but yours will have different weights depending if your suspension is load sharing or not. I would still be hoping for more than 200kg's the shower and toilet will add a bit then food cloths blankets etc will take you to max very fast to be safe you would want to keep it about 150kg's from max fully loaded.So with luck your aggregate weight is around 2000kg's that will let you keep it well under max.It is so much easier to work out the single axle .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 9:35:06 GMT 10
Now it is ready for using it and when at home you can join the "Bling Club" polishing any exposed metal and painting the black strips in orange  Just to beat the others perhaps you can fit LED lights strips all along the J rails |
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 4, 2017 10:06:19 GMT 10
Just ordered a pair of struts for the bed lid. These are long to allow for a nice lift and hopefully I have measure the weight accurately enough as I got them from evilbay. Ill do up a install vid when I get them. I also screwed in some of that galv straps builders use on roof trusses. I put 2 on the bed frame which stopped the side to side flex and another 2 on the bed base overhand to again stop side to side. Worked wonders, but I will put another lot in anyway |
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 4, 2017 13:32:21 GMT 10
I thought it should have been up around 2.5ton if it has 45mm square axles and 14inch light truck tyres from what I can work out mine should be 1500kg being the lowest weight capacity is the axle at 1500kg it is a 45mm solid square axle rated at 1500kg tyres are 650kg each the springs eye to eye and I assume they match the axle can't seem to find anything on how to determine carrying capacity of springs and I have ford bearings that also have a higher carrying capacity then the Holden bearings. though if yours are 40mm they are rated at 1000kg but yours will have different weights depending if your suspension is load sharing or not. I would still be hoping for more than 200kg's the shower and toilet will add a bit then food cloths blankets etc will take you to max very fast to be safe you would want to keep it about 150kg's from max fully loaded.So with luck your aggregate weight is around 2000kg's that will let you keep it well under max.It is so much easier to work out the single axle . I would try and find some similar registered units, and compare tare 2 agg, it would be interesting to see if continuous rego ones have a higher payload rating, most trailers seem to get a 400-500KG default. The old guy, who wandered off to do calculations on my single axle, laughed about the RMS folks doing blue slips ( He was still of a Department of Main Roads sorta chap, let alone RTA! ) I think the data base looks at engineering stats that do not like the original small, compared to nowdays, A frame section with welded add on webbing bar to stiffen it. |
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Post by Mustang on Mar 6, 2017 19:09:43 GMT 10
Your weight is very good.
Vincent fully loaded came in at 1360KG
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 6, 2017 20:49:01 GMT 10
Your weight is very good. Vincent fully loaded came in at 1360KG With the QLD system what is the max they allow on top of the 1360? or whatever the unloaded spec was. EG mine is 950KG approx & is allowed to go to 1450KG max: My boat trailer/box thing is allowed to be 250KG max unloaded ( to avoid annual inspection) & 749KG max without needing brakes: If i registered a camper trailer on same axle then it is allowed 450KG + 400KG, if not braked or asking if i needed them a fine would be given lol. Ahh those nice rego folks each one with a guess at their version of regulations. Lucky we have pdf specs online from their overseers eh! |
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Post by Mustang on Mar 7, 2017 8:08:48 GMT 10
Your weight is very good. Vincent fully loaded came in at 1360KG With the QLD system what is the max they allow on top of the 1360? or whatever the unloaded spec was. EG mine is 950KG approx & is allowed to go to 1450KG max: My boat trailer/box thing is allowed to be 250KG max unloaded ( to avoid annual inspection) & 749KG max without needing brakes: If i registered a camper trailer on same axle then it is allowed 450KG + 400KG, if not braked or asking if i needed them a fine would be given lol. Ahh those nice rego folks each one with a guess at their version of regulations. Lucky we have pdf specs online from their overseers eh! Hi Ate, When I loaded the Viscount for weighing the guy asked if I wanted tare or GVM I said tare, he was a bit puzzled that an "empty" Viscount would weigh that much, but filled out the form under "tare". My reason was now that I have a certificate saying the tare is 1360kg I should be able to load another 200/300Kg (heavan forbid) on top of that. I will never add that but the Qld Traffic Branch has been blitzing moderns for overweight. |
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 8, 2017 3:40:18 GMT 10
I think i prefer the NSW one that states in black & white exactly how much extra can be loaded.
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Post by 78466noM on Mar 8, 2017 23:08:43 GMT 10
I will second that atefooterz my box trailer weighs just over 130kg's and has a aggregate weight of 750kg's the old Chesney Kampa had a tare of 650kg's and a aggregate weight of 1200kg's it had 12inch tyres and a smaller axle the millard should have an aggregate of 1500kg's due to 45mm solid axle 14 inch wheels with LT tyres ford bearings the lightest load bearing part being the axle at 1500kg's.
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 9, 2017 1:29:59 GMT 10
I will second that atefooterz my box trailer weighs just over 130kg's and has a aggregate weight of 750kg's the old Chesney Kampa had a tare of 650kg's and a aggregate weight of 1200kg's it had 12inch tyres and a smaller axle the millard should have an aggregate of 1500kg's due to 45mm solid axle 14 inch wheels with LT tyres ford bearings the lightest load bearing part being the axle at 1500kg's. Untrained (in mechanical engineering) clerks using the Service NSW computer will only be told a figure. The old dude who hated RTA let alone computers etc ( i was lucky) had an Arrow his Dad bought so when the computer spat out a figure he questioned if i had the Ford axle i said yes & said my mechanic who was also the blue slip guy could varify anything. Nice old dude did some searching on already registered similar units then being senior and someone interested in customer service used his level to over ride the default result. It was about 10 minutes but i guessed he was very ready to retire and gave KPI stats a wide berth, unlike the casual permanent employees that occupy most booths, if you get past the helpful one at the entry who tries to con you into doing it as a postal & they will ring when my plates are ready! What i was met with two months later at the same place, now renamed Service NSW not RMS as before, when doing the blue slip on a box trailer. |
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 9, 2017 6:00:33 GMT 10
Given what you all said, ill investigate further and should there be an increase from the 200kg then ill get this sorted.
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 11, 2017 17:01:03 GMT 10
So today I installed the bed gas struts and what a difference it makes. I did a video on it of course, but also seeing there isnt much out there to explain, so I did my best.
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