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Post by Mustang on Jan 31, 2017 7:59:49 GMT 10
Re your 12 v fan, I bought a Jaycar model, runs very efficiently, not exactly silent, but OK. For the floor vent, originally (?) there was a gaping hole, I used Marine ply with mesh on the underside.   I spent $700 on a S/H fridge from a dealer that was supposed to be overhauled, with new elements etc, BUT living in Qld I should have splashed out on a 240/12v compressor, the old fridge works hard in this 30+ heat. I expect in Sth Tas you will not have the issues. Another great contribution to the forum, thank you. |
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Post by tasmillard on Jan 31, 2017 8:12:17 GMT 10
Thanks for the advice Mustang, ill look at doing something there under the fridge, see how we go.
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Post by 78466noM on Jan 31, 2017 10:11:45 GMT 10
You work on old cars so a stove remodel should be a walk in the park for you as long as it is possible.
had a quick look on ebay a valve is cheapest $160.00 approx and not sure what else is needed to make it work. So may be an idea to find a second hand or much better a free thrown out stove with the Flame Failure feature strip out parts and have fitted by your gas man.Every domestic stove I now of has the ability to change jets for lpg or natural gas.
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Post by tasmillard on Jan 31, 2017 12:25:48 GMT 10
I am not sure if its that simple as the unit needs to be placed in the gas line, so meaning it needs to sit behind the stove and the sensors next to each gas plate. So this could be more complex than its worth and also not unsure if the gas man would approve modifications of this nature (he seemed reluctant to go down a custom path).
I think ill need to hunt around for a modernish stove/oven that will fit the cavity, really chances are also slim here. New ones cost hundreds, so dont want to go there yet of course. Funny thing tho, if the caravan was already registered there would be no issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 15:11:54 GMT 10
I am not sure if its that simple as the unit needs to be placed in the gas line, so meaning it needs to sit behind the stove and the sensors next to each gas plate. So this could be more complex than its worth and also not unsure if the gas man would approve modifications of this nature (he seemed reluctant to go down a custom path). I think ill need to hunt around for a modernish stove/oven that will fit the cavity, really chances are also slim here. New ones cost hundreds, so dont want to go there yet of course. Funny thing tho, if the caravan was already registered there would be no issues. So do what most do and take the stove out replace it with a 240v cheapie or even a cannister type in a box for rego then after rego   just sayin' |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 15:40:32 GMT 10
I am not sure if its that simple as the unit needs to be placed in the gas line, so meaning it needs to sit behind the stove and the sensors next to each gas plate. So this could be more complex than its worth and also not unsure if the gas man would approve modifications of this nature (he seemed reluctant to go down a custom path). I think ill need to hunt around for a modernish stove/oven that will fit the cavity, really chances are also slim here. New ones cost hundreds, so dont want to go there yet of course. Funny thing tho, if the caravan was already registered there would be no issues. So do what most do and take the stove out replace it with a 240v cheapie or even a cannister type in a box for rego then after rego just sayin' The problem John is that a draft come in, blow out the flame and the gas bottle can be empty inside of the van. It is not for me, I would not put the family at risk for any money. On the top of that in case of an accident specially a nasty one investigations will show the " short cut" and criminal charges will be possible. There are already far to many deaths in the RV community and for that reason the new regulations are in place. I know that you are joking so my post in no directed to you but to possible forum visitors who do not have experience on this or not aware of the implications. |
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Post by tasmillard on Jan 31, 2017 17:07:47 GMT 10
The joys of registering a van...
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Post by Mustang on Feb 1, 2017 6:08:12 GMT 10
I think the best and most efficient approach would be to sell the oven and purchase something that will meet the regs, within price reason. The joys of registering a van... I didn't let my van rego lapse for a multiple of those reasons. When I sold my previous Ultimate camper, the gas guy discovered "no gas cut off on the stove" he rang the authorities & this was the answer; "If the stove is under 5 years old it will need to be replaced, if it is over 7 years old it is OK to pass it"you better believe it!!!!!!! so its ok to gas yourself with a stove over 7 but not under 5, good God how hypercritical. (Qld) |
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 1, 2017 7:06:17 GMT 10
Yes, that is somewhat ridiculous! I am going to talk to the Service Tasmania staff and see if there are any issues/complications if I register the van without gas (240v only) and then down the track add gas. I suspect as long as a gas cert is provided then its good to go, but this is where I dont want to assume.
EDIT: Had a chat with them and no issues. All I have to do is bring in the gas cert from the fitter and they add it to their records, no extra checks needed. So I will go with 240v only registration now and then take my time investigating gas cooking options during the next 6 months. Main thing is not to drag it out another 2-3 months or make costly decisions in a rush.
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Post by Mustang on Feb 1, 2017 7:42:39 GMT 10
Yes, that is somewhat ridiculous! I am going to talk to the Service Tasmania staff and see if there are any issues/complications if I register the van without gas (240v only) and then down the track add gas. I suspect as long as a gas cert is provided then its good to go, but this is where I dont want to assume. That is what I did, cost me $600 for everything inc; an external bayonet for the Weber. I didn't get a certificate as such, but the invoice stays in the van to show the work was performed by an authorised fitter. insurance was Ok with that as well. But it varies state to state, best to check. |
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Post by 78466noM on Feb 2, 2017 9:53:35 GMT 10
Maybe talk to a good appliance repairer to see if your stove can be converted to have the Flame Failure feature or hunt the op shops and antique shops for a old electric that is the same shape and size you have for caravan parks and a portable camp stove to use in the annex when free camping. we only have a twin electric element portable cook-top for inside the van the wife wants to cook outside in annex to keep the cooking smells out of van so our old three burner gas stove and camp kitchen with out the sink section will live with van.Gas will only be connected to fridge and a second bottle on front for the portable hot-water that I will make a light frame I can lock onto trailer coupling keeping it at least 1.5m from bottles and when not in use stored away.
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 2, 2017 13:00:06 GMT 10
Certainly we are not going to stall registering the van over gas install. With the Millard we dont have gas either but do rely on 240v. The gas install is to allow for more free camping in future, so we are putting this on the back burner and look at it again in a few months time. As with you Bruce, ill also be getting a gas water system and basically doing the same thing, hooking it up when needed. So this, fridge and cooking appliances will make it possible for free camping  |
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Post by Rattles on Feb 2, 2017 16:16:41 GMT 10
 Would one of these Help, See PM. Rattles |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 17:21:26 GMT 10
Certainly we are not going to stall registering the van over gas install. With the Millard we dont have gas either but do rely on 240v. The gas install is to allow for more free camping in future, so we are putting this on the back burner and look at it again in a few months time. As with you Bruce, ill also be getting a gas water system and basically doing the same thing, hooking it up when needed. So this, fridge and cooking appliances will make it possible for free camping You have a nice two burner and oven camping stove that retails for $350. Use irtt to cook on the annex and a single burner to cook inside if the weather it is terrible or just for the cup of coffee. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 17:22:33 GMT 10
That looks good Rattles, I just wonder if it is not to wide.
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 2, 2017 19:49:58 GMT 10
Sent you a PM back Rattles. Cheers,
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Post by snoops on Feb 3, 2017 6:15:38 GMT 10
I think the best and most efficient approach would be to sell the oven and purchase something that will meet the regs, within price reason. The joys of registering a van... I didn't let my van rego lapse for a multiple of those reasons. When I sold my previous Ultimate camper, the gas guy discovered "no gas cut off on the stove" he rang the authorities & this was the answer; "If the stove is under 5 years old it will need to be replaced, if it is over 7 years old it is OK to pass it"you better believe it!!!!!!! so its ok to gas yourself with a stove over 7 but not under 5, good God how hypercritical. (Qld) One of Vicroads better aspects is that they don't care if you gas yourself - only that the trailer lights work - that's all that is checked to pass rego for a fan in Vic now (and a receipt to show you own it). A bit stupid, but easy. |
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Post by 78466noM on Feb 3, 2017 11:54:20 GMT 10
In NSW all I need is a blue slip that is just lights brakes if applicable and structurally sound gas and electricity don't get checked but all this is left to the relevant departments and the insurance companies. It is still easier to make sure every thing complies with all the rules and regs that way to an extent you and your family stay safer and no fingers can be waved at you for doing the wrong thing and god forbid if something happened and you had to make a claim you should pass though that no problems.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 12:29:59 GMT 10
I am a bit confused by what you people say regarding the regulations in different states
Yes, each state have their own regulations but they cannot ignore the VSB1 and require compliance with AS 5601 and AS 1432.
As an example, the legal position in one State for example, provides no specific jurisdiction to prohibit the personal
import of a caravan containing non-compliant appliances, but it is an offence for an importer to sell a
caravan where it contains non-compliant appliances.
There is a grey area there and I would ignore the " easy going" regulations or inspection on each state if safety is compromised or the risk to not have a valid insurance.
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 3, 2017 13:07:29 GMT 10
OK, I should clarify here... with Tasmania I only need to get the whole inspection (gas/240v/chassis etc etc) IF the vehicle has lapsed registration and/or the vehicle is from interstate. Once the rego has been given, NO FURTHER checks are needed at all, unlike the yearly checks some states have as part of the rego renewal process.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 16:24:11 GMT 10
OK, I should clarify here... with Tasmania I only need to get the whole inspection (gas/240v/chassis etc etc) IF the vehicle has lapsed registration and/or the vehicle is from interstate. Once the rego has been given, NO FURTHER checks are needed at all, unlike the yearly checks some states have as part of the rego renewal process. Mine came out of the shed after 48 years 40 of those unregistered and they checked the lights brakes etc and bingo it was registered because there was a record of the vin from 1977 it was registered as it was supplied with the lpg reg tied to the bracket with the plastic bung on it as it had never had a bottle fitted , our stove is the old type but we do not use it and the fridge has been removed and replaced with a 240v bar fridge , it is now on H plates so costs $32 a year for 60 days use on log book but does require a yearly pink slip or rego check by the club registrar |
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Post by atefooterz on Feb 3, 2017 19:26:35 GMT 10
In NSW all I need is a blue slip that is just lights brakes if applicable and structurally sound gas and electricity don't get checked but all this is left to the relevant departments and the insurance companies. It is still easier to make sure every thing complies with all the rules and regs that way to an extent you and your family stay safer and no fingers can be waved at you for doing the wrong thing and god forbid if something happened and you had to make a claim you should pass though that no problems. Part of the blue slip is a current gas certificate, unless an original one is still there "Once issued a Gas compliance plate should last the life of the installation, unless it is altered and then a new plate needs to be issued and attached to the vehicle" |
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Post by atefooterz on Feb 3, 2017 19:31:22 GMT 10
In NSW all I need is a blue slip that is just lights brakes if applicable and structurally sound gas and electricity don't get checked but all this is left to the relevant departments and the insurance companies. It is still easier to make sure every thing complies with all the rules and regs that way to an extent you and your family stay safer and no fingers can be waved at you for doing the wrong thing and god forbid if something happened and you had to make a claim you should pass though that no problems. Part of the blue slip is a current gas certificate, unless an original one is still there "Once issued a Gas compliance plate should last the life of the installation, unless it is altered and then a new plate needs to be issued and attached to the vehicle" Anyone who is serious however will get tested & replace what is required or get clean certificate. I just dissabled the pipes leading from A frame to bottle, to get mine registered. The thin copper with lots of water and green stuff was enough to not even consider using the old stuff! Same as replacing all the brake lines, cylinders and seals etc, not something worth crossing fingers about. |
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Post by 78466noM on Feb 3, 2017 22:55:38 GMT 10
the old Kampa I had I got registered to bring home from Inverell had to get a full blue slip at the time gas was still connected though no bottle was on there. I did the bearings adjusted brakes added lights and new tyres passed with flying colors the copper was passed its use by date and I had decided at the time since stove was too dangerous to use not to have gas connected this was before I found out the 12volt on fridge was not for solar use unless you have a semi trailer loaded full of batteries all hooked together so if we still had it it would have got new gas fitted as the millard is getting as its gas pipes were only slightly in better condition. The only thing we can do is to make sure we do the right thing I had no problems with the gas or 240volt but seems atefooterz could have had a problem if he didn't make gas lines unusable. But safety first all will be correct and have all relevant paperwork from installers.  |
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 4, 2017 13:05:23 GMT 10
Finally got to install the fridge. Now some of you may dissagree with my approach, but I thought about it for some time and this was the best approach I thought, given my skill set etc. I made sure I had the best possible air tight area for the cooling to work, so factored that in. Anyway, not a conventional installation by any stretch but I think it will do the job.
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