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Post by bobt on Feb 28, 2017 17:06:49 GMT 10
Polite ones please or I could get upset...
Any suggestions Ideas or get together's some may be interested in??
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Post by Mustang on Mar 8, 2017 19:05:00 GMT 10
Hi Bob,
Well now, we are all happy here it seems with no suggestions to date.
One suggestion I would think is mandatory for survival of this forum & others is succession.
If we stay in fixed years ie; Classics 1970-1980 then (I feel) the lifespan is limited.
Looking around at the events I have attended the average age of members is not exactly 30ish.
By allowing succession a van will grow into its "vintage", & new members will be introduced sooner rather than later in their retirement years.
eg: A Classic may refer to this as an example of the car industry:
In July 2013, the most expensive car ever sold at auction was, undoubtedly, a classic. With a price of £19,600,000, the Mercedes-Benz W196 was the Formula One entry in the 1954 and 1955 seasons, winning 9 of the 12 races entered. It was driven by none other than El Maestro – Juan Manuel Fangio.
Few people would agree that a 1979 VW Passat is a classic.
Or this as a vintage/veteran:
It is very easy to define a Veteran Car, as they were, quite simply, built before the First World War. Similarly a Vintage Car was built before 1930, and Post Vintage referred to cars from the 30s until the end of WWII, however after this point it all becomes a bit hazy.
As there is little in print for caravans, forums make up their own rules.
Personally I prefer the style of:
30-40 Years Classic
40-50 Years Vintage
50+ Years Veteran
I subscribe to a cycling forum (BNA Aus) where we are all together in one forum, but under sub headings eg, 6K club ;10K club; Century club; Health etc.
You can choose to post to one or all Clubs.
Vintage/ Classic/ Veteran IMHO for simplicity should be one forum with no unidentified guest posting.
Cheers
Brent
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 9, 2017 1:38:20 GMT 10
Agree with above & easy grouping via similar issue in car & motorcycle clubs.Speaking of which it may be worthwhile to affiliate with a group to get more serious street cred for special plates. The other issue is to convince the younger brigade to try and keep suitable units as original as possible, when warranted. Those wanting to update especially with rare parts should be steered towards members with big- huge sheds to store removed silly old things, for decades, until needed!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 4:49:54 GMT 10
IMHO trying to classify vans along the lines of cars is ok but using the years they use for cars is not feasible my feelings are Post '79 is Modern very few if any vans built after '79 have the look or credibility of being "built" they are manufactured  '60-'79 is Classic these were the caravan heydays when there was style and difference vans were built with smallish capacity tow units in mind and were hand made to a large extent  Pre '59 is vintage these vans were the fore runner to the classics some were tim some ally but most timber tradesman or home built the slotted head screw aficionados reside here as do Ice chests and metho stoves  Pre '49 is Veteran this was the era of the covered trailer or early teardrop hand made no niceties just sleeping accomodation that was able to be towed timber chassis was the go I also agree with the suggestion of affiliation with a recognised club or clubs maybe even the formation of a national association with a club structure below this which would gain recognition from the relevant authorities as have restored car clubs for rego and other purposes . Initially I think the way to go would be to get the vintage car councils onside and be affiliated with them . One point to consider is there needs to be a line in the sand similar to restored cars which are subject to a clause which states The vehicle must be as close to original manufacturer's specifications as possible except for safety features such as seat belts and turn indicators or period accessories and options if desired.This is what keeps the vintage /classic/veteran car scene healthy and the reason for the recently introduced C plate in NSW for "modified " vehicles The definitions and rulings are all here re cars etc well worth some perusal CHMC site |
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 9, 2017 13:18:15 GMT 10
Great points John, now to adapt them to capture to current mobs that consider anything pre 1999 as "retro". Thyis is not going anytime soon as the under 40 year olds group things that in my youth would have been someone telling me i was not groovy but a hip cat or a swinger vagabond. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 15:04:43 GMT 10
I guess it is a bit like the old car scene the rego authorities have set a rolling 30 yr date as old but the clubs see it differently many say must have Chrome bumpers , many others are either pre 70 or pre 80 pending membership I could not see anything post '70 as collectable as it is more plastic fantastic than chrome and steel . Personally I see the vintage/classic van movement as a up and coming genre IF it gets itself organised and contained under an organisational banner, forums and small groups protecting sand piles will kill it as quickly as it has begun . Tearing the insides out of a classic van and replacing it with Junco type furnishings is akin to stripping a 1935 Ford and making it a hot rod with a 90's engine and drive train  and has to be a different category to H plated caravans  |
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 9, 2017 15:46:32 GMT 10
I guess it is a bit like the old car scene the rego authorities have set a rolling 30 yr date as old but the clubs see it differently many say must have Chrome bumpers , many others are either pre 70 or pre 80 pending membership I could not see anything post '70 as collectable as it is more plastic fantastic than chrome and steel . Personally I see the vintage/classic van movement as a up and coming genre IF it gets itself organised and contained under an organisational banner, forums and small groups protecting sand piles will kill it as quickly as it has begun . Tearing the insides out of a classic van and replacing it with Junco type furnishings is akin to stripping a 1935 Ford and making it a hot rod with a 90's engine and drive train and has to be a different category to H plated caravans Agree but as i pointed out "collectableïs a moving target. The way forward is an inclusive thing where the keen get educated and go onto rocking horse poo projects of value, from a financial and wide age clique group converts can be groomed. So many clubs are gone or on last legs by not getting in the newbies. It also makes for better social events with more exposure to others joining in , when the same weekend has a 90s rave night on a property, while another group is a twisting & shouting on a rock & roll night. When both tribes swap results & profits, new subs at the next meeting the scene is set in stone. Back in my active Rover Owners, Humber Hillman CC & RR& Bently OA days, the idea of a Zephyr being a thing let alone a collectable of wild value, outside of the South Isle of NZ where they ruled with big V8s, would have earned a tin foil hat or a time in the naughty corner!   |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 18:26:11 GMT 10
You Have a PM
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 11, 2017 9:12:31 GMT 10
Perhaps consider an off topic section as General still refers to caravan related threads.
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Post by bobt on Mar 11, 2017 17:17:14 GMT 10
Interesting discussions, not what I was looking for but that is fine.
I will provide my view a little later.
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 11, 2017 22:19:19 GMT 10
Perhaps consider an off topic section as General still refers to caravan related threads. The vintage movement seems to be increasingly a set of caravan and tow vehicle for display. In the strict sence this forum was set up, the above discussion about a classic/ vintage set, rather than retoration of a classic caravan, then i agree it may seem off topic. Two years ago when i was on this busy Sydney road i would spot a classic at least once a week, varying state looking like that purchase on the way home or loaded and going - returning from adventure! This last six months that observation has gone down to maybe one a month! The few i have seen being towed, not on a flat top, are painted grey & black with lots of chequer plate for aft & along the bottom. I feel the majority of folks now restore a classic or whatever we will call the 1981-1995 sub sets that preceded the white boxes that now also in 2017 have given way to the metalic look and ripple textured effect of "moderns" to a cheap alternative or upon hearing the horror warranty stories create to a price a dream caravan. My brief time here many have come rebuilt and gone, while others flit between the sister forums. The real crux is that while classics are welcomed at vintage events we seem to be too far spread out to gain an active on the tarmack prescence. My off topic chat above was based upon looking at 2030 to see how this scene has progressed. The time poor parents that now live through their kids sport & art obligations will and already has had a huge impact, compared those kids old olden times, being dragged along to Mum & Dads scene, who discover they like it, then go on to and take up... *insert here "thing"* We as a scene face exactly the same challenge as many others that did or have been a huge movement, only to fade away to easier activites that fit into modern 21st century life. As we are now into almost 2 decades of throw away consumerism, who can imagine a hipster getting chipped nails clearing out multiple layers of leaking sillycone on a second hand 70s classic? |
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 12, 2017 6:23:14 GMT 10
I still see a few around here in Tassie, but I dare say that a lot of them have been converted to on-site vans and are slowly rotting away. Just yesterday I spotted what looked like a pop-top millard, most likely in the late 70s model. Cosmetically the poor thing looked like its been through the wars, the brown paint strip in the side of the van wasnt just faded, but peeling off. The cladding condition was also rough, but at least it was registered and being used for trips. Unfortunately, I think we seem to be a minor breed of van enthusiasts and restorers, not many have the inclination or the skill preferring to borrow huge money to buy a standard shoebox van. Its no different at all to classic cars IMO.
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Post by Mustang on Mar 13, 2017 15:29:02 GMT 10
Re this thread for suggestion box,
The for sale discussion has been moved to Gitanos FOR SALE thread.
Back onto "Suggestions" folks.
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 13, 2017 19:12:28 GMT 10
I think we need a pattern maker to make a die to produce a new generation of classic EH -HQ style hubcaps with the forum logo shining against the enamel.
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Post by bobt on Mar 19, 2017 10:27:00 GMT 10
Well I have read all the comments and I have decided the only thing that is going to happen.
On the 4th Sept 2017 I am planning on being in/near Lightning Ridge NSW, so I will bake a Muffin stick a candle in it. Take a picture and send it to Mark and say thank you for starting this forum.
bobt
where will you be 'Al' 'William' 'Jim' ?
pss.. I would like 4 new EH hub caps for my car trailer
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 19, 2017 23:40:32 GMT 10
I think we need a pattern maker to make a die to produce a new generation of classic EH -HQ style hubcaps with the forum logo shining against the enamel. We need someone with a kid with a laser imager, a mate with an EH style hubcap to scan, then someone with a 3D printer to get the ball rolling? Imagine the candle glowing into such a beautiful thing ( things including the 4 on Bobt`s car trailer) at Lightning Ridge. |
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Post by Mustang on Mar 20, 2017 6:50:42 GMT 10
Hi Bobt
Be prepared to bargain if you buy an opal, there are huge margins at the retail!!!
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Post by bobt on Mar 20, 2017 13:38:49 GMT 10
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Nephew makes parts for his toys using a 3d printer. Both my boys are building 3d printers.. They live 600+ ks apart so they dont share well..
mustang
No risk.. SWMBO bought all the opal she could desire, several years ago, now she wants to scratch around in the dirt looking for it
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Post by atefooterz on Mar 20, 2017 21:21:14 GMT 10
ate Nephew makes parts for his toys using a 3d printer. Both my boys are building 3d printers.. They live 600+ ks apart so they dont share well.. mustang No risk.. SWMBO bought all the opal she could desire, several years ago, now she wants to scratch around in the dirt looking for it Time to drop hints to your nephew & lads for Fathers Day! Time enough to source someone to spin the fancy hubcaps in metal over the 3D dies. |
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Post by snoops on Mar 25, 2017 19:10:22 GMT 10
One point to consider is there needs to be a line in the sand similar to restored cars which are subject to a clause which states The vehicle must be as close to original manufacturer's specifications as possible except for safety features such as seat belts and turn indicators or period accessories and options if desired.This is what keeps the vintage /classic/veteran car scene healthy and the reason for the recently introduced C plate in NSW for "modified " vehicles The definitions and rulings are all here re cars etc well worth some perusal CHMC siteSorry but can't agree with this one. If people are forced to do original only restos on classic vans, they will never come to the site - we've seen recently how the vintage van community runs their site, which IMO will slowly kill it as it will only be the older folk using it with no new blood coming through. While I see some merit in trying to convince owners to save rare and original vans, asking everyone that comes along to comply with that would be a disaster. Classic vans are starting to really become popular - with young families and as sleep outs. Most of the younger crowd will want a few modern touches in their vans and I think it would be a disservice if we turned people like this away looking for advice. Personally, I'd be out of here like a rat up a drainpipe if rules like that were introduced as I would be in a car club that insisted I couldn't do some custom work to an HZ Kingswood, they aren't that rare that it's sacralige to do this to a 70's vehicle or Caravan IMO. Just my 2 cents. |
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Post by bobt on Mar 26, 2017 20:43:07 GMT 10
Hey Snoops, no changes are happening here. This forum was set up by Mark as an off shoot to the Vintage Forum, because of the interest in 'later' stuff. The Dates defined are staying. If your caravan is outside those dates we still welcome you.
I have an open mind, I love the original and I love the custom/hot rod stuff. I am fine with the Purest, the Renovator and the Modernizer.
Its your caravan do as you see fit.
Bobt
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Post by 78466noM on Mar 30, 2017 11:16:52 GMT 10
I will just say I love the look of the originals Retired John's van is one of many that is exceptional then you have mustangs van very very close to absolute original with a few added personal touches and a small amount of hidden modernization then there is mine and many many like it picked up gutted or interior so bad it had to be gutted I chose to do part modern and part original sort of. Some go for full modern not to many go for the full original resto from that base as cost and time is prohibitive for example mine as a full resto would have been chassis frame and windows as cladding would have had to be found as the poor old girl hasn't got a strait panel on it that is to say mine wouldn't have been worth parts for a reasonable condition van. In years to come when these vans are say seventy years plus there may still be a good supply because people have brought them back from the brink now and earlier and like most modified cars could be returned to what it was originally with hard work and knowledge but if they are just scraped they are gone forever.so long to short every person that is doing up has done up or just looking after a classic or vintage van is one extra van for the possible future.
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Post by Patrick Bruce on Apr 25, 2017 18:30:15 GMT 10
I agree Snoops, as a Newbie we are time poor, have very limited skills and working with a van that has already had a number of modifications. A full and accurate restoration wasn't going to get our little family on the road actually enjoying Patrick and that was the point of buying him in the first place.
I love this forum - the variety of opinions, experiences and vans is one of its strengths as it allows us newbies to pick and choose what works best for our circumstances, budget and skill levels. Knowing there are endless possibilities encourages us to be brave and give anything ago.
When our classics were first built new owners would have to some degree chosen their 'look' - their inclusions, fabrics and finishes - just as they do now with the moderns. I feel like those that are refurbishing, restoring and rebuilding should be able to do the same. We most certainly respect Patrick's heritage (I love his slightly banged up exterior and caramel chupa chup colours) but giving him a light, happy interior that reminds us we are on holidays is part of his new charm. Our joy at using him is what will ensure he's still here in another 10-20 years.
SG
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and has to be a different category to H plated caravans 
