joe de limburger
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i am a bit surprised we have to pay the full fee up front for the coming meet in wangaratta
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Post by joe de limburger on Feb 23, 2017 20:36:50 GMT 10
would a 1959 4cyl standard vanguard be able to tow my birdy<Capricorn> for short trips only
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Post by bobt on Feb 23, 2017 21:04:41 GMT 10
Gidday Joe
I would think the Vanguard should be able to tow your birdy. Guess the best way to find out is hang it on the back and take it round the block..
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Post by tim on Feb 24, 2017 16:33:26 GMT 10
The 4 cylinder vanguard 4 engine was pretty good (good enough for Triumph sports cars and Ferguson tractors) but their brakes were not their strong point. As I recall, my Dad always kept a bottle of brake fluid in a little pocket in the passenger footwell. You'd want to be sure that the brakes were as good as they could be.
Tim
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Post by doublechevron on Mar 2, 2017 11:11:45 GMT 10
You guys are joking right ? Were talking a 3spd gearbox and about 60hp aren't we. The old Vangard will probably struggle to travel at the speed limit *not towing*!! I'm sure it'll move a small lightweight 'van around town, but on the highway your going to probalby be stuck in 2nd gear a lot of time ... 40'ish mph with a freight train of cars lined up behind you!
It's not my idea of a relaxing holiday! My old Citroen ID19 would be a brilliant towcar, but it's simply to slow these days to use to tow something like a caravan. I'd be grinding up every gradiant in 2nd or 3rd gear ( 4spd gearbox ).... I often do Geelong to Ballarat, it's a long climb, single lane the entire way .... always with a strong head wind. You'd probably be in 2nd gear doing 35mph the entire way. Not my idea of fun ( sure it was probably expected and not a problem in the 1960's when every truck and a lot of cars were just as slow).
Fergi tractors are only about 25hp! The engine is governed to much lower revs in that application.
seeya, Shane L.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:55:01 GMT 10
Shane I think you are quite wrong here the '59 is the later shape with more HP( 90hp I think it was) than the old humpy Vanguard and are quite a good tow vehicle for a era correct small caravan some were 4 speed floor change and even had the option of overdrive from memory I would not be concerned towing our 15'6" Viscount with one but cound not see me towing it with an age appropriate Citroen We had a sportsman ute for a while and with it's twin carbs and 4 on the floor was a hoon mobile back in the late 60's
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Post by doublechevron on Mar 2, 2017 21:24:36 GMT 10
I have no doubts you are right ( you obviously know way more about these than me ) I just checked the wiki pages and thought "no way". so you are right, I was looking at the wrong car. The '59 model had a 4spd gearbox... and very slightlier gruntier motor The 1.9 litre citroen ID19 in the same era was about 5 seconds quicker to 60mph (about 15 seconds rather than 21) and had a much higher top speed (mine will do over 90mph ... indicated). I have no doubt it's a lovely old car to travel in ... But why put yourself through the stress of towing with one. Find a v8 engined vehicle from the same era ... it'll still be very slow going, but at least you might be able to cruise at 50'ish mph with the caravan on. You even have the old Jags, Mercs and a few other European/.pommy vehicles from this era that aren't expensvie, but have large'ish 6 & 8 cylinder engines. I can't find much information on the 1959 model... it seems to have a 4spd gearbox though. To put this into perspective. The Citroen was a very low power car that acellerated slow for it's time .... and this is even slower than that .... seeya, Shane L.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 5:27:45 GMT 10
My comparison is with my model Zephyr which came from the factory with 2.5L 6cyl and 86bhp or 68kw in new money it weighs approx 1100kg and tows the 1T van like a dream As it stands today however I must admit it is a different kettle of fish with a set of headers and a small cam and electronic ignition and some dyno tuning by a mate we now put 79kw on the ground at the back wheels which is a considerable improvement on new figures
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Post by doublechevron on Mar 3, 2017 9:58:16 GMT 10
My comparison is with my model Zephyr which came from the factory with 2.5L 6cyl and 86bhp or 68kw in new money it weighs approx 1100kg and tows the 1T van like a dream As it stands today however I must admit it is a different kettle of fish with a set of headers and a small cam and electronic ignition and some dyno tuning by a mate we now put 79kw on the ground at the back wheels which is a considerable improvement on new figures Oh, yes different kettle of fish. I read the above... it's 1220kg, 65'ish hp .... with is damn near identical weight and power as the old car I have here .... Don't get me wrong, it would do it .... As would the old Citroen no problems at all..... It would be excruciating up hills though.... with literally hundreds of cars queued up behind you. Sad really, because I'd love to tow an old caravan with a nice old car. If I owned the Humber, I'd be looking at something like an early Camp-Let Yes ... Found one!!! www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/hawthorn-east/camper-trailers/retro-scandica-camp-let-glx/1140774805Note: the tare weight of them. THey are a fiberglass clam shell that fold over with a swing out kitchen.
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Post by wildgoose on Mar 28, 2017 16:59:55 GMT 10
would a 1959 4cyl standard vanguard be able to tow my birdy<Capricorn> for short trips only
I know someone who tow's theirs behind an Austin 1800 ute..
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Post by Mustang on May 12, 2017 12:57:00 GMT 10
As with all of the above, I think the first thing you should ask yourself "how well does my classic car brake now" Then ask yourself how would it go stopping with another tonne added with no brakes on the van or virtually no van brakes???
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joe de limburger
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i am a bit surprised we have to pay the full fee up front for the coming meet in wangaratta
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Post by joe de limburger on May 12, 2017 16:58:06 GMT 10
as usual I hesitated to long, trying to get some info, and that particular car got sold but there will be others and <MOST.> of the info was useful, thanks to all
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