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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 21:13:23 GMT 10
Looking at this video it give us more motivation to rebuilt old aluminium frames vans I would be not impressed if I was the owner of this unit. IMO the government authorities have to do something about the caravan building standards. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ai90zHMnRE |
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Post by doublechevron on Aug 29, 2016 21:47:34 GMT 10
entirely normal... sadly ........... have a look at cabcars thread over on the caravaners forum.
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Post by atefooterz on Aug 29, 2016 23:25:16 GMT 10
The thing i do not understand is that aluminium is so cheap now that the timber framing is still used.
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Post by doublechevron on Aug 30, 2016 11:50:06 GMT 10
The thing i do not understand is that aluminium is so cheap now that the timber framing is still used. faster easier and cheaper to build. They are just stapled together crap. It takes not time at all to staple stuff together. You need to rivet together aluminium. slower and more expensive. |
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Post by atefooterz on Aug 30, 2016 13:19:01 GMT 10
The thing i do not understand is that aluminium is so cheap now that the timber framing is still used. faster easier and cheaper to build. They are just stapled together crap. It takes not time at all to staple stuff together. You need to rivet together aluminium. slower and more expensive. Dunno plug & glue alum stock tubing has been a very fast and structural thing for a few decades, also does not allow that pesky rivet fail and weakening of the tube issue with twist causing rivets to sheer after elongating holes. If the glued length is long enough to flex as one, above max expected general loading = greater than 1.5% of tube diameter is required minumim. Also better in some ways than variable welding skills, due to hard point loading. |
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Post by doublechevron on Aug 30, 2016 14:34:06 GMT 10
thud, thud, thud ... done ... stapled. You'd throw a caravan frame together in seconds... it's all about cheapness of build.
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Post by atefooterz on Aug 30, 2016 14:38:11 GMT 10
thud, thud, thud ... done ... stapled. You'd throw a caravan frame together in seconds... it's all about cheapness of build. It only has to be shiney and have a gloss duotone fittout to sell to most, nowdays. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 15:18:49 GMT 10
Roadstar offer the option on aluminium frame in their vans and now are using Noviato M22 sealer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 18:57:32 GMT 10
The problem is not only in Australia made vans, reading the guide from the UK caravan Club (page 9) there was a survey in 2005 and the findings was that caravans up to 3 years old 11% of them have water damage. |
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Post by tim on Aug 31, 2016 10:14:41 GMT 10
Its not a new problem. My parents' '85 Windsor poptop is a piece of crap, and I'm sure its no different from most other vans of the period. Stapled together out of low quality imported timber (light but no durability), slathered with silicone to seal it,furnished with nasty fabrics and wired throughout with domestic extension leads.
They were built to be cheap and light, two things that aren't compatible with quality and durability.
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Post by doublechevron on Aug 31, 2016 10:55:55 GMT 10
Its not a new problem. My parents' '85 Windsor poptop is a piece of crap, and I'm sure its no different from most other vans of the period. Stapled together out of low quality imported timber (light but no durability), slathered with silicone to seal it,furnished with nasty fabrics and wired throughout with domestic extension leads. They were built to be cheap and light, two things that aren't compatible with quality and durability. Tim Strange bit is there here ... still going strong ... 30years later  Same with the windsor I have. Try finding a 22 foot long bunk room 'van 8 birth in tidy condition that weighs 1.6ton'ish in a modern 'van. They simply don't exist. (the ones that do are $35,000+ and weigh 2.6'ish tons +++). |
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Post by awbeattie381 on Sept 1, 2016 12:57:44 GMT 10
This is the reason why the 70s vans are the best...I would have liked a 60s van but didnt want to deal with replacing timber frames. It seems nothing past 1980 is any good either (broad assumption!).
It would be really disheartening to see so much rot in a relatively new van like that if it was yours, but its true - shiny interiors and exteriors sell these days.
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Post by Mustang on Sept 1, 2016 18:52:51 GMT 10
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Post by atefooterz on Sept 1, 2016 19:00:13 GMT 10
I have the timber frame dillema. Since i missed the timeframe & have gone another year with rego. Do i just sell it as a project, replace the corner lower timber areas. If so what with? No way i would muck around timber so Ally or Carbon tube. Would the high tech freak out the buyers or they be happy that in their lifetime no rot, if they keep an eye on windows & roof edge mastic for the higher up and less prone, unless put away/ stored wet & not vented. What saved this one was being used full time open with an awning next to a barn for years... while the failing sillycone layers were piled up on various roof/ side top joins. So only really the low closed no ventilation area issue. ( carbon will be faster & be almost as cheap as i can do it alongside my new build finally starting next week.. Yay *happy dance* |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 11:16:03 GMT 10
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Post by Mustang on Sept 10, 2016 16:48:44 GMT 10
This is horrifying, my God you would not believe it without seeing the video?  |
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Post by atefooterz on Sept 10, 2016 23:27:32 GMT 10
The interesting thing would also to weigh pre repair the damp unit, water is 1kg per 1ltr
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 22:22:41 GMT 10
Oh well, looks like that the Poms have the same problem with rot in their vans and RV Caravan and Motorhome Damp RepairsWe have to start rescuing all the vintage aluminium framed vans, they will come the most wanted vans very soon.  |
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Post by atefooterz on Sept 12, 2016 21:07:07 GMT 10
Oh well, looks like that the Poms have the same problem with rot in their vans and RV Caravan and Motorhome Damp RepairsWe have to start rescuing all the vintage aluminium framed vans, they will come the most wanted vans very soon. Spending almost 6 months in a reasonable carapark it was interesting with the comming & going adventures. While most like classic or vintage, a few white boxers even owning them, it seems that just like the under 3 years old Toyota or Explorer tugs folks love the creature comforts, many happy to turn over every 1- 3 years with second hand ex demo or less than 3 year old boxes, to avoid the dramas. Just as so many couples will jump into a *new build house, rather than reno an old one, the same applies to todays RV market. Luckily just like so many other well built toys enough folks can see past glossy stickers and ikea furnishings to maintain a fleet, respecting the old school build values of classic & vintage. * Cost is mostly cheaper & no mess to suffer. |
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Same with the windsor I have. Try finding a 22 foot long bunk room 'van 8 birth in tidy condition that weighs 1.6ton'ish in a modern 'van. They simply don't exist. (the ones that do are $35,000+ and weigh 2.6'ish tons +++).
