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Post by Mustang on Jun 22, 2016 17:00:13 GMT 10
I keep looking at the forum every day & what a quiet time we are having at the moment....is it winter? Keep the posts & images coming folks, may be trivial to you but of interest to others.  |
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Post by captivenut on Jun 22, 2016 19:35:13 GMT 10
Or could it be that the facebook caravan forums are capturing the market share?
Cheers, Arthur
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Post by kimbo on Jun 22, 2016 21:16:48 GMT 10
Hi
It is a bit quite we are getting ready for the retro picnic day at tweed this sat should be fun but I'm still watching here
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Post by bobt on Jun 23, 2016 0:34:36 GMT 10
We have our highs and lows on here. It is cold outside keeps me inside away from the shed.
Hey Mustang - You clearly did not get blown away in the last storm..
some friends that are up north central like.. found mud and lots of it..
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Post by planner on Jun 23, 2016 14:53:03 GMT 10
I keep looking at the forum every day & what a quiet time we are having at the moment....is it winter? Only a Queenslander (or maybe NT) would ask if it's winter. Here it's easy to tell -3 the other morning on the way to work.  I've been working at nights in the shed (not on the van though) and it's been bl**dy cold outside, easy to see how most might stay in front of the TV. |
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Post by atefooterz on Jun 24, 2016 3:16:55 GMT 10
Guessing from the various very active facebook groups, many are chasing the sun, as this forum is very reno centric not many adventures ever posted of any season, post reno. The other thing is how active 1990 to early 2000s white boxes are now the thing to rebirth/ upgrade. In another ten years it will be interesting to see how the classic era remains as stand alone, being in between the quirky vintage scene and *"practical" 20 footer that many seem to favour now. * A word i keep hearing around the place when i chat with folks who travel. After two years on the road being solo i think practical is a set up under 7.5m long so as to be able to park hooked up without fear of bombers or the laps required, in new places, finding a suitable parking space.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 20:23:52 GMT 10
Extreme cold here in the freezer AKA Hobart.
I think that I am going to purchase one of those drips with tripod that are using in the hospitals and hang a bladder full of brandy.
The van it is dry inside so all the work done passed the test.
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Post by bobt on Jun 25, 2016 0:14:19 GMT 10
We are packing the modern ready to run north.. we have been delayed 2 months by things outside of our control.
If I get my photo bucket thing to co operate while we are away I might post a picture.
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Post by atefooterz on Jun 25, 2016 0:39:20 GMT 10
Extreme cold here in the freezer AKA Hobart. I think that I am going to purchase one of those drips with tripod that are using in the hospitals and hang a bladder full of brandy. The van it is dry inside so all the work done passed the test. Great news, about leaks not the snow/sleet! Now the real test is later in the warmer months at the opposite contraction/expansion rate of those seals. I am in the Sydney hills atm so max 12c and currently 7c wild winds have gone to sleep... at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 9:10:12 GMT 10
All the seals have been done with Sikaflex marine so I expect to hold in the same manner that hold on the ocean going yachts.
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Post by atefooterz on Jun 25, 2016 13:50:42 GMT 10
All the seals have been done with Sikaflex marine so I expect to hold in the same manner that hold on the ocean going yachts. If yachts were built with the end result of constant flex, that most classic caravans have... they would never be ocean going! Gitano is right though as by using sika the bond will hang in locally, as the thing twists, to stay as bonded as the prep allowed. A good reason to choose ooze over mastic tape. |
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Post by Mustang on Jun 25, 2016 16:27:50 GMT 10
All the seals have been done with Sikaflex marine so I expect to hold in the same manner that hold on the ocean going yachts. If yachts were built with the end result of constant flex, that most classic caravans have... they would never be ocean going! Gitano is right though as by using sika the bond will hang in locally, as the thing twists, to stay as bonded as the prep allowed. A good reason to choose ooze over mastic tape. As long as you don't want to get them apart again!! |
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Post by atefooterz on Jun 26, 2016 0:56:37 GMT 10
I think the "get it apart again thing" also applies to the interior, from what i have gleaned on our classics i think the cladding surrounds with goo under the j mold and windows with tape compromise (for a travelling always in the open caravan) seem the most robust*. Mocking up at the moment my new build solution that will have a carbon ring with overlap and gutter, that will have the window taped into. So in the event of any water ingress between the skins from above no water will get into the cabin area. This mostly started because the total skin thickness will be thinner than the void avaliable that production windows are designed for, as i am using modern insulation foil and air pocket, rather than thick styro and ply. Interior to be vinyl wallpaper, so easy make overs as fashion changes. Also avoids that clinical boat interior skin look.
*Interesting chats with folks on the road and mobile repair types that see same issues arise over the decades. One of the most common is broken windows from vandals or whatever, so while possibly needing the entire window frame removed most likely is to just slide out the opening frame & reglaze. = adhesion of frame not a biggie if done right with no leaks, we know that the mastic tape option is good for 15+ years.
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Post by Mustang on Jun 26, 2016 8:26:19 GMT 10
I agree with you in parts Ate. If something has silicone applied to an inside surface & the sealer oozes through, sealing all "clean" surfaces, suitably cleaned up to the edges, then I think you have a superior & long lasting seal & adhesion for the life of the product. An outside bead of the same will not suffice, one surface will part. I chose mastic on advice of a caravan expert in light of my ability & position to what I was renovating. Every thing I have done can be reversed. I recently watched a video of a new van being assembled, the window was almost fitted roboticly, no cleanup no sealant, so they must be using some type of tape? as you say same old problems over the decades are still continuing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Weather3.3 degrees in SE Qld (-3 in Dalby) this morning, now the sun is up (partially) we have trebled to 9. Hobartions & Vics & New South have great falls of snow, especially Tas, that will fill those lakes up & make the trout fishing happen again.  Cheers |
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Post by atefooterz on Jun 26, 2016 13:21:14 GMT 10
Some of the new windows have a rubber seal with minimal sealant, much like a windscreen on vehicle or none at all when seal is custom. There was an interesting post on everything caravan & camping FB yesterday, of a new Corimal with the windows that popped out within 100m of hitching up! While covered by warranty still a setback. Anyone who reads the threads around here hopefully will never and make sure their friends do not apply sillycone externally as a fix = it just creates more angst and possible damage to paint(and allum if wrong grade used)etc later on! |
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Post by bobt on Jun 26, 2016 20:46:54 GMT 10
We had a known brand modern that was 8 years old, had tape as a sealer around all the windows door and corner trim. Had to replace it all has it had become porous.
Inbuilt redundancy!!!
Now in Wangaratta.. visiting daughters son and his parents 😊
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 7:59:00 GMT 10
No, is case of an accident will be the insurance repair problem.
Put it in another way, they were in there for 38 years so IMO they will last well over that time with Sikaflex and I will be 6 foot under.
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Post by Mustang on Jun 27, 2016 8:07:34 GMT 10
No, is case of an accident will be the insurance repair problem. Put it in another way, they were in there for 38 years so IMO they will last well over that time with Sikaflex and I will be 6 foot under. Hey Gitano Are you getting the ski's ready? |
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Post by murray on Jun 27, 2016 9:20:49 GMT 10
No ski's needed this morning, Mustang  Rush hour this morning - ] hobart webcam |
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Post by kiwijim on Jun 27, 2016 11:23:23 GMT 10
G;day Murray, looks pretty busy for your Neck-o-the woods, I bet it won't be long before there is a big coating of snow on Mt Wellington.
Here in the West, things are also on the move, this is traffic heading into the City, on the Kwinana Freeway........
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Post by Mustang on Jun 27, 2016 18:33:21 GMT 10
No ski's needed this morning, Mustang Rush hour this morning - ] hobart webcamMMmmm we have been getting facebook shots of snow every where, must be in the highlands? |
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Post by awbeattie381 on Jul 18, 2016 14:03:27 GMT 10
I agree with you in parts Ate. If something has silicone applied to an inside surface & the sealer oozes through, sealing all "clean" surfaces, suitably cleaned up to the edges, then I think you have a superior & long lasting seal & adhesion for the life of the product. An outside bead of the same will not suffice, one surface will part. I chose mastic on advice of a caravan expert in light of my ability & position to what I was renovating. Every thing I have done can be reversed. I recently watched a video of a new van being assembled, the window was almost fitted roboticly, no cleanup no sealant, so they must be using some type of tape? as you say same old problems over the decades are still continuing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Weather3.3 degrees in SE Qld (-3 in Dalby) this morning, now the sun is up (partially) we have trebled to 9. Hobartions & Vics & New South have great falls of snow, especially Tas, that will fill those lakes up & make the trout fishing happen again. Cheers Not sure if I have posted this before but I was chatting to a caravan repair guy recently (where I get my rego check done) and was asking him what method they use to seal windows. They use foam tape with a bead of silicone around the edges. He said that would be fine for about 5-8 years. My eyes nearly fell out. I asked him about what happens when he has to remove one and his reply was 'thats when it gets difficult'. I'm happy with my caulking tape method |
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 18, 2016 14:40:59 GMT 10
I don't understand all of this when mastic is about $5.00 bucks a tube and foam tape is pocket change. Squeeze out guarantees a leak free 'van for decades IMO. and a window that'll fall out if you unscrew the screws!
seeya,
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Post by atefooterz on Jul 20, 2016 2:30:03 GMT 10
I don't understand all of this when mastic is about $5.00 bucks a tube and foam tape is pocket change. Squeeze out guarantees a leak free 'van for decades IMO. and a window that'll fall out if you unscrew the screws! seeya, Shane L. I think folks are addicted to the vineger smell when it cures! Maybe the lure of weeks peeling balls of silastic off ungloved fingers? The fact that sillycone can only really be smeared, rather than cleaned off without nasty solvent? Methinks a look at folks bathrooms with mouldy silastic bead upon peeling bead is a clue to quality of repairs to anything. A quality silicone seal should last for at least 60 years or more, without UV exposure. Greater flex, up to 25% means that as temperature and road flex movement should allow the join to survive longer. The reality is as noted by many is that the main leak issue is the open interface of skin, insulation & internal liner that means regardless of what is chosen some form of seal between the window unit and the caravan layup must be formed, via tape or loopy heavy random amounts of any compound until no air voids exist... then seal the window frame into the now sealed cut out. Or in one go as Shane describes above with the squeeze out, that is contained between the tape & window unit. |
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 20, 2016 10:11:18 GMT 10
I don't understand all of this when mastic is about $5.00 bucks a tube and foam tape is pocket change. Squeeze out guarantees a leak free 'van for decades IMO. and a window that'll fall out if you unscrew the screws! seeya, Shane L. I think folks are addicted to the vineger smell when it cures! Maybe the lure of weeks peeling balls of silastic off ungloved fingers? The fact that sillycone can only really be smeared, rather than cleaned off without nasty solvent? Methinks a look at folks bathrooms with mouldy silastic bead upon peeling bead is a clue to quality of repairs to anything. A quality silicone seal should last for at least 60 years or more, without UV exposure. Greater flex, up to 25% means that as temperature and road flex movement should allow the join to survive longer. The reality is as noted by many is that the main leak issue is the open interface of skin, insulation & internal liner that means regardless of what is chosen some form of seal between the window unit and the caravan layup must be formed, via tape or loopy heavy random amounts of any compound until no air voids exist... then seal the window frame into the now sealed cut out. Or in one go as Shane describes above with the squeeze out, that is contained between the tape & window unit. There shouldn't be any vineger smell on your caravan. It should be no-acetic cure. I used roof and gutter silicon for everything on my caravan.... except the windows and door frames. They could need to be removed if you ever need to repair them ( or replace the fridge). if they are glued in with silicon or sikaflex... Your going to have one hell of a time getting them back out! seeya, shane L. |
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