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Post by atefooterz on Jul 2, 2015 15:20:30 GMT 10
The trick with any chemical is to play smart and be patient, a few applications to soak in and why i suggested toluene or similar is that it swells the mastic causing it to lift off, the hard top skin is just to trick you:) A 2cv that is not two tone looks weird haha.
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 2, 2015 15:27:28 GMT 10
The trick with any chemical is to play smart and be patient, a few applications to soak in and why i suggested toluene or similar is that it swells the mastic causing it to lift off, the hard top skin is just to trick you:) A 2cv that is not two tone looks weird haha. Hard top skin ... man that's hilarious  ... It's so hard I've broken a lot of it away by tapping it with a hammer ...... it shatters like ice and falls away  seeya, Shane L. |
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Post by atefooterz on Jul 2, 2015 15:46:54 GMT 10
The trick with any chemical is to play smart and be patient, a few applications to soak in and why i suggested toluene or similar is that it swells the mastic causing it to lift off, the hard top skin is just to trick you:) A 2cv that is not two tone looks weird haha. Hard top skin ... man that's hilarious ... It's so hard I've broken a lot of it away by tapping it with a hammer ...... it shatters like ice and falls away seeya, Shane L. Yes i have had that issue ripping out old radio antennas in cold climates, that tape is used to seal the wave guide connector, luckily we can mostly just use a stanley knife to split then using a lot of grunt peel it off, or as you described shatter it off like defrosting a fridge. Sounds like impact may be the best way. Evaporation is the enemy so sometimes i will stick shredded rag or paper onto a tape, gaffer/packing 1st available,load it with solvent then stick it in place to soak overnight & maybe repeat if still stubbon. Do other things then see if the yucky thing has surrendered. Having bad arthritis for decades means that really hard finger elbow grease is not an option. So many experiments to avoid a hard slog, if i cannot get a lacky to muscle off something tedious. |
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Post by tasmillard on Jul 3, 2015 8:11:17 GMT 10
You guys are mad about Citroen's like I am about Land Rovers  |
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Post by Mustang on Jul 3, 2015 8:34:25 GMT 10
Hi Shane,
I have found a sharp chisel good for removing the goop.
Push from the edge towards the window cavity, that way you cant slip against the cladding.
It seems there is no easy way, just elbow grease.
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 3, 2015 9:49:31 GMT 10
Yeah, it appears chiselling is the go... I put on about 6 jumpers and a coat last night and spent an hour out there ( can anyone say BLOODY COLD!!!). Anyway I found the best way to remove the stuff was a small sharp plastic handled screwdriver and a panel hammer to tap the screwdriver with. If you lucky you'll break a big chunk out all at once. It took me about an hour to chisel clean about 1/3rd of the window and window surround of the smallest window above the sink Guess what I'm doing for the next 2months in every spare second  seeya, shane L. |
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 3, 2015 9:50:58 GMT 10
You guys are mad about Citroen's like I am about Land Rovers Yeah I've got a couple....er, no one of them too I'm accepting donations of 101's if anyone has some to spare seeya, Shane L. |
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Post by atefooterz on Jul 3, 2015 14:43:50 GMT 10
Yeah, it appears chiselling is the go... I put on about 6 jumpers and a coat last night and spent an hour out there ( can anyone say BLOODY COLD!!!). Anyway I found the best way to remove the stuff was a small sharp plastic handled screwdriver and a panel hammer to tap the screwdriver with. If you lucky you'll break a big chunk out all at once. It took me about an hour to chisel clean about 1/3rd of the window and window surround of the smallest window above the sink Guess what I'm doing for the next 2months in every spare second seeya, shane L. Now imagine removing that stuff up a 40m + tower in minus C conditions with wind chill |
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 3, 2015 15:49:30 GMT 10
Yeah, it appears chiselling is the go... I put on about 6 jumpers and a coat last night and spent an hour out there ( can anyone say BLOODY COLD!!!). Anyway I found the best way to remove the stuff was a small sharp plastic handled screwdriver and a panel hammer to tap the screwdriver with. If you lucky you'll break a big chunk out all at once. It took me about an hour to chisel clean about 1/3rd of the window and window surround of the smallest window above the sink Guess what I'm doing for the next 2months in every spare second seeya, shane L. Now imagine removing that stuff up a 40m + tower in minus C conditions with wind chill Sounds like fun .... Do I get to fly a kite while I'm up there  |
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Post by atefooterz on Jul 3, 2015 20:30:27 GMT 10
Haha i have never thought about flying a kite from towers or highrise rooftops. |
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 3, 2015 23:36:00 GMT 10
Ok, I've pulled out a window and played with ........... and are quite confused now. You see, they made these windows in the mid 80's as there fitted to this caravan ..... I'm confused 'cos I don't understand why those crappy wind out windows still exist. The wind out windows: --have frail winder mechanisms that break ... --have frail handles... that break --have frail lock down tab .... that break --have frail plastic window attachemnt parts ... that break --have very expensive flywire screens .... that work well until they hole --I guarantee ... if you have any wind out windows that actually work on your caravan ... and use them someone WILL smash there head into them within the first few days of your first holiday (especially if there the windows under the annex/awning that get wound out. Check this out... this is a 30year old window that's never been repaired.  Flywire screen. Just clips out.  flywire can be easily replaced by just pulling the cord out ... and putting it back.  there's a "wiper" on the back edge that will wipe condensation off ... and stop flies getting in where the flywire touches the sliding glass.  It just slots into the aluminium frame.  I peeled the seal out ....  There is double sided tape there sealing and holding the glass in ... the rubber doesn't do any sealing ....  I removed the silicon someone had put over the windows... All they needed to do to stop them leaking was remove the damn thing and replace the mastic.  big drains, covered so rain can't blow in from the outside.  even if the windows leak .... the water won't go inside the caravan. the drain cavity is HUGE ... you'd need to flood the entire bottom "C" section of the window frame quicker than those two big slots to drain to get the water inside.  A solid metal clip that rotates and locks into the recess in the frame to stop the window sliding open.  The design of these windows is nothing short of brilliant...... So why on earth are those frail wind out windows still being used today ?  I just gave it a quick wipe down ... the window is in "as new" condition. seeya, Shane L. |
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Post by atefooterz on Jul 4, 2015 0:21:36 GMT 10
A double glazed perspex version with those details would be ace. I have not seen any wind out windows around the modernish caravans i have camped alongside, most are the perspex camec or whatever brand the double glazed euro ones are.
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 4, 2015 9:38:39 GMT 10
A double glazed perspex version with those details would be ace. I have not seen any wind out windows around the modernish caravans i have camped alongside, most are the perspex camec or whatever brand the double glazed euro ones are. Those perspex ones are wind out too .... I know 'cos I've bashed my head on them several time   |
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Post by atefooterz on Jul 4, 2015 10:09:47 GMT 10
A double glazed perspex version with those details would be ace. I have not seen any wind out windows around the modernish caravans i have camped alongside, most are the perspex camec or whatever brand the double glazed euro ones are. Those perspex ones are wind out too .... I know 'cos I've bashed my head on them several time Ahh cheers, folks seem to have 2 speeds, windows shut and aircon or windows shut and heater. I have a few lumps from hitting mine, last done in April. One plus however is in sustained rainy conditions the wind out can be open to shield off rain to wind/droplet attack angle and still have good ventilation, slide open would have water ingress via screen and slow droplets squeezing through. Designing my pod area i was always going to go slide but now am unsure, after all the times i have stayed dry with good flow through air from the top hinged winged head bashers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 10:52:17 GMT 10
Hi everyone,
These windows were used because there was a shortage of wind out windows in the eighties,most people preferred wind out for the better security when locked,the fixed fly wires,the ease of opening and the biggest one of all,being able to be open in the rain!
Also when a sliding window was open you were only getting half the airflow,which people up north complained about.
I have owned a couple of these Windsors with those windows,and believe me I couldn't wait for wind outs to get back on track!
The maker of these windows was MTM in Melbourne,but I believe they are no longer trading.
Cheers
hughdeani
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 4, 2015 13:31:13 GMT 10
Hi everyone, These windows were used because there was a shortage of wind out windows in the eighties,most people preferred wind out for the better security when locked,the fixed fly wires,the ease of opening and the biggest one of all,being able to be open in the rain! Also when a sliding window was open you were only getting half the airflow,which people up north complained about. I have owned a couple of these Windsors with those windows,and believe me I couldn't wait for wind outs to get back on track! The maker of these windows was MTM in Melbourne,but I believe they are no longer trading. Cheers hughdeani Better security ?? these are all metal with metal locks. you'll be right about air flow as only 1/2 the space is opened... I reckon these days none of this is relevant either way as caravans now have central heating and air conditioning .... and closed windows ......... I reckon these are brilliant 'cos no-one will bash there heads on them .... and they won't break! I like well made stuff designed not to break seeya, Shane L. |
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Post by Mustang on Jul 6, 2015 17:24:57 GMT 10
Ok, I've pulled out a window and played with ........... and are quite confused now. You see, they made these windows in the mid 80's as there fitted to this caravan ..... I'm confused 'cos I don't understand why those crappy wind out windows still exist.
The wind out windows:
--have frail winder mechanisms that break ...
--have frail handles... that break
--have frail lock down tab .... that break
--have frail plastic window attachemnt parts ... that break
--have very expensive flywire screens .... that work well until they hole
--I guarantee ... if you have any wind out windows that actually work on your caravan ... and use them someone WILL smash there head into them within the first few days of your first holiday (especially if there the windows under the annex/awning that get wound out.
You forgot porosity!!!!!!!! I like my windouts, head brusises & all, they are shiny & retro & owe me 200 hours of my life. (And I'm not finished yet??) 
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 6, 2015 20:25:01 GMT 10
They look absolutely spectacular .... How did you clean them up so well That's amazing how much they tidy up the look of the caravan. seeya, Shane L. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:00:02 GMT 10
Hi mustang,
As you recall these windows
were a Viscount copy that they got done for by Starlite.
The Viscount ones were nowhere near as good as the originals,as you have found out!
Very interesting to seem them polished though,they came out flat grey when they were new!
How have you worked out a locking mechanism?
Cheers
hughdeani
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Post by Mustang on Jul 7, 2015 7:50:51 GMT 10
They look absolutely spectacular .... How did you clean them up so well That's amazing how much they tidy up the look of the caravan. seeya, Shane L. After using every power wheel, acids, preps, you name it I tried it. It all came back to elbow grease as the quickest most effective. Course, medium,fine steel wheel sprayed with Inox clean off the Inox, then Autosol metal polish. Porosity has been the enemy inside the frames, the exterior not so bad, possibly kept cleaner by rain. You are right with the head bruising Shane, I've copped a couple of beauties.  Hughdini: Still working on the locks, I have external fly screen turn buttons at the moment. They stay in place with no problems. If I can get my hands on a lock I will get it 3D printed. |
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 7, 2015 9:53:21 GMT 10
They look absolutely spectacular .... How did you clean them up so well That's amazing how much they tidy up the look of the caravan. seeya, Shane L. After using every power wheel, acids, preps, you name it I tried it. It all came back to elbow grease as the quickest most effective. Course, medium,fine steel wheel sprayed with Inox clean off the Inox, then Autosol metal polish. Porosity has been the enemy inside the frames, the exterior not so bad, possibly kept cleaner by rain. You are right with the head bruising Shane, I've copped a couple of beauties. Hughdini: Still working on the locks, I have external fly screen turn buttons at the moment. They stay in place with no problems. If I can get my hands on a lock I will get it 3D printed. Excellent. I've cleaned up aluminium in the past by wet sanding the corrosion off down through finer grades of wet and dry paper. Then using the metal polish when it's level and unscratched. Sadly it dulls again very quickly. You need to keep polishing it to keep it shiny. (maybe applying car polish to it would protect the aluminium from dulling/oxidizing again). Are they a unique window lock? I would have thought you could purchase them readily given how frail and easily broken they are. To get it 3D printed you will need to get one scanned into electronic format first. One of the guys on the french car forum I'm on has a 3D printer and has been making small parts. Window locks would be perfect use for a 3D printer: www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/citro%EBn-forum/111105-dee-plastic-bits.htmlseeya, Shane L. |
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Post by atefooterz on Jul 7, 2015 10:56:43 GMT 10
How dull the alloy ends up really depends on what grade/ mix the alloy is and the enviroment that the oxidation crust forms in. We have been amazed at how things made out of the same piece of 5000 alloy stay shiney in Lake Maquarie compared to Inner Sydney, both air and water may play a role.
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Post by Mustang on Jul 7, 2015 16:48:15 GMT 10
I reno'd my first window about March & its still OK.
Viewed an advert last week that Purple polish has produced a prep polish for aluminium, you then apply PP after using the prep, so I will give it ago when I see some.
Shane L:
Yes the window locks are unique to the series, they need to be secured under the fly screen, I would expect similar to later models, but later just don't fit?
I will continue to use external turn buttons, untill I find one to copy.
The hunt continues, I have an ad on the VV site.
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Post by atefooterz on Jul 7, 2015 20:19:38 GMT 10
I reno'd my first window about March & its still OK. Viewed an advert last week that Purple polish has produced a prep polish for aluminium, you then apply PP after using the prep, so I will give it ago when I see some. Shane L: Yes the window locks are unique to the series, they need to be secured under the fly screen, I would expect similar to later models, but later just don't fit? I will continue to use external turn buttons, untill I find one to copy. The hunt continues, I have an ad on the VV site. Did you notice any difference with Vincent outside with the alloy shine, or has it stayed constant? |
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Post by Mustang on Jul 8, 2015 7:45:13 GMT 10
I reno'd my first window about March & its still OK. Viewed an advert last week that Purple polish has produced a prep polish for aluminium, you then apply PP after using the prep, so I will give it ago when I see some. Shane L: Yes the window locks are unique to the series, they need to be secured under the fly screen, I would expect similar to later models, but later just don't fit? I will continue to use external turn buttons, untill I find one to copy. The hunt continues, I have an ad on the VV site. Did you notice any difference with Vincent outside with the alloy shine, or has it stayed constant? Hi Ate, Funny you ask that, all the outside frames have cleaned up the same, a lot of windows were fixed to the van with roofing tek screws  Some had heavy porosity to the lower frames (contaminants?) but good at the top. I used JB Weld to fill the excess holes (great product) & cemented aluminium strips to the lower frames that were weak. Basically they have all been repaired for little cost, replaced all fly screens, new perspex, tuned the winding boxes, just a lot of hours spent. |
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