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Post by doublechevron on Feb 9, 2017 8:34:54 GMT 10
Wow ... how on earth does a small 'van like Vincent have 220kg on the tongue  I rekcon my annex would be 100kg in itself with the poles and canvas. So I've moved all of that back to the axles. Did you add an A/C condensor to your drawbar? That would be a solid 30kg there. Your spare is probably 30kg ? seeya Shane L. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 11:29:11 GMT 10
What is the total weight of Vincent Brent ? 220kg seems ok would not want a lot less my guess is he is 1500kg so 220kg is under 15% and that would not bother the Prado the hopping on the concrete could well be the WD bars too tight the truss is a good idea but it will not stop the skip I don't think  Over the weighbridge fully loaded 1360kg, most advice I have heard the standard is around 10%. (The modern is only 110KG.) When I had Vincent inspected by an engineer he suggested the truss underneath & also a plate to be welded (not to) under the Z rail as the drawbar had been replaced. The hopping is not serious, more a case of the speed & road conditions, ie change the speed & it usually goes away, BUT if I can overcome it I will. 10% is the Minimum but up to 15% is acceptable especially if the tug can handle it the higher the ball weight the better it will tow the lighter the ball weight the more likely it will be a tail wagging the dog situation less than 10% would be an accident looking for somewhere to happen IMHO Btw is that 1360kg figure the van unattached from the car with its jockey wheel on the scale or just the van wheels on the scale whilst attached ? Sounds silly but I have heard of it happening both ways ? |
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Post by Mustang on Feb 9, 2017 12:20:54 GMT 10
Over the weighbridge fully loaded 1360kg, most advice I have heard the standard is around 10%. (The modern is only 110KG.) When I had Vincent inspected by an engineer he suggested the truss underneath & also a plate to be welded (not to) under the Z rail as the drawbar had been replaced. The hopping is not serious, more a case of the speed & road conditions, ie change the speed & it usually goes away, BUT if I can overcome it I will. 10% is the Minimum but up to 15% is acceptable especially if the tug can handle it the higher the ball weight the better it will tow the lighter the ball weight the more likely it will be a tail wagging the dog situation less than 10% would be an accident looking for somewhere to happen IMHO Btw is that 1360kg figure the van unattached from the car with its jockey wheel on the scale or just the van wheels on the scale whilst attached ? Sounds silly but I have heard of it happening both ways ? 1360 detached from the vehicle. I have that listed on the ticket as "tare" weight, so now some what legally I can add 300Kg I was rapt that the total weight was only 1360 loaded. |
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Post by 78466noM on Feb 14, 2017 9:10:18 GMT 10
The brace will take out a lot of up and down flex especially if the draw-bar has been lengthened that is the main reason mine was replaced and left at standard length though now 3mm thick instead of 2.5mm thick .I have room for two gas bottles and I have to work out how to set up a spare but I towed this home behind the falcon van had no brakes and very little inside but towed beautifully not a problem on corners etc did mostly 90kmh with the odd 100kmh. It is an old van no shocks or independent suspension and it didn't have load levelers on when I towed it home still 90kmh will get us to where we want to go just have to keep an eye on traffic behind and pull over to let them pass when safe to do so. Though in the pictures it looks like Vincents draw-bar is standard in length unless the RHS is too small I wouldn't think there would be a lot of flex in it. I used to think if ours was 60% as good as Vincent I would be very happy now he has gotten even better I'm down to 40%  |
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Post by Mustang on Feb 14, 2017 17:03:11 GMT 10
Some small updates on Vincent:Knowing my track record on fitting gas struts I called in a mobile guy to fit some to our heavy lift bed. (it took him 20min, I was in awe) Its now wonderful, so easy & it stays up.  Also some new 12v gear, cut out switch, analogue volt gauge,12v plug, Gas Detector, external solar Anderson plug.     I know the detector has to be exposed (its positioned under the lounge) but I don,t like the modern look ,so thinking caps on?? Thank you Carlos for introducing me to Flickr, its a breeze compared to PB.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 18:26:37 GMT 10
. (it took him 20min, I was in awe) Its now wonderful, so easy & it stays up. Wow I am impressed   |
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 15, 2017 6:09:51 GMT 10
perfect timing mustang... i really would like some more photos so that i have some ideas on my bed build coming up. if you can, email me some pics of the bed base and bed lift (i aint demanding  ) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 6:31:24 GMT 10
Easy one screw it under the table top , it is a battery operated model isn't it ? or is it hard wired ?
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Post by Mustang on Feb 15, 2017 7:51:49 GMT 10
Easy one screw it under the table top , it is a battery operated model isn't it ? or is it hard wired ? Hard wired, no cheap crap for my Vincent. Page 11 of this thread there are a couple of shots of the bed frame, but I will send you some more, cant get there until Fri. Cheers Brent |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 8:35:21 GMT 10
Easy one screw it under the table top , it is a battery operated model isn't it ? or is it hard wired ? Hard wired, no cheap crap for my Vincent. Page 11 of this thread there are a couple of shots of the bed frame, but I will send you some more, cant get there until Fri. Cheers Brent In fact the "cheap crap" ones are most often the hard wired models the stand alone ones are considerably more expensive |
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Post by tasmillard on Feb 15, 2017 9:55:11 GMT 10
Thanks Mustang, got the images now. Similar to the thoughts I have, except ill be most likely making my frame from alloy rhs instead of timber.
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Post by Mustang on Mar 6, 2017 19:37:03 GMT 10
Yesterday at Rathdowny, today on the stands. The only thing I haven't renovated is the suspension, could have left it as the wear was so minable, between the leading & trailing bushes. But now its out I will renew the U bolts, locating bolts, spacers & bushes, and at least I'm not wondering.   I have five floor stands & a pneumatic floor jack but it still freaks me out working under 1300kg!!!!  |
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Post by 78466noM on Mar 7, 2017 1:16:46 GMT 10
I piled rims with tyres under both back corners jacked front up with jockey wheel until van wheels came off the ground the put 2 jack stands under front and lowered van onto them.and I still stayed out from under it as much as possible. To put the axle under van I used an old toy car that the grand-kids didn't ride anymore. I put the end of the axle in it then pushed it across I then walked around the van and lifted it out. It wasn't going to fall but I wasn't taking any chances.I was lucky my hangers had no wear at all in them the greased shackles should help them last just have to keep a small grease gun in van tool kit. with the suspension done Vincent should be trouble free with just general maintenance grease brake adjust check tension on bolts etc.
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 7, 2017 6:29:16 GMT 10
So basically you have to support the van chassis leaving the springs and axle hanging free (with wheels off)? What bushings did you get Mustang? Are they original springs or been replaced in the past? Im thinking thats something I should do this year also.
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Post by Mustang on Mar 7, 2017 8:21:13 GMT 10
So basically you have to support the van chassis leaving the springs and axle hanging free (with wheels off)? What bushings did you get Mustang? Are they original springs or been replaced in the past? Im thinking thats something I should do this year also. Hi Carlos, I would say original. The springs look good, I could just re-assemble the bushes & locating bolts, but I will try for some greaseable replacements. The u bolts are OK but I will change for new, just for preventive medicine. If you wanted to check one, you should be able to get an idea of the condition. Tip: The Viscount locating bolts have a spline on the opposite side to the locking nut, so when you have the nut almost unscrewed use a heavy hammer to punch the bolt out, ( inside to out) the nut will protect the end of the thread. I drowned everything in WD40 before I started. Cheers |
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Post by 78466noM on Mar 7, 2017 8:53:45 GMT 10
If you are using a rattle gun it is a good idea to put a spanner on hex end to help stop it stripping the spline I used a ton of WD but with the rust converter and paint made the nuts bind.
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Post by Mustang on Mar 7, 2017 19:32:50 GMT 10
If you are using a rattle gun it is a good idea to put a spanner on hex end to help stop it stripping the spline I used a ton of WD but with the rust converter and paint made the nuts bind. Yep bind they did , Monday must be easy day, Tuesdays are a b*tch. I will never leave the suspension until last again. Due to plumbing (that I put in) I really earn't my pay today. I'm surprised that the combined spring/axle/brake weight is over 100kgs. I weigh 60kgs, so its been a battle.  I was all set to cut the u bolts off with the grinder, then the neighbour bought over his rattlegun, wow that made short work of the locked nuts. |
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Post by Mustang on Mar 8, 2017 16:47:49 GMT 10
Nearly finished the suspension, today I spent an hour getting the axle/brakes in place, re-soldered the brake wires, then the whole concern rolled off the jacks while I was adjusting the position & broke the brake wires...aaahhhhh. Ended up painting the springs/hangers/bolts with (USA) Rustoleum hammer finish.  Replaced the double nuts with Nyloc.  ![]()  Plans changed, I thought if its in this condition after 40 years, I will just grease up & re-assemble. |
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Post by 78466noM on Mar 8, 2017 22:58:40 GMT 10
looks good.
If the parts are still in good condition and can be reused why not.
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 12, 2017 21:30:36 GMT 10
As always, you can eat off those parts. Now you got nothing to do for another 30years.
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Post by Mustang on Mar 13, 2017 7:20:05 GMT 10
As always, you can eat off those parts. Now you got nothing to do for another 30years. Hmmmm we have also sold the modern van. Vincent suddenly inherited a few kilos of accessories. Think I feel a project like yours coming on  ? (Not many recoverable tandem aluminium's out there??) Cheers |
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 13, 2017 7:28:47 GMT 10
Mustang, I think we must be addicted to projects, or at least feel the need to save these old vans. Must say I would love for you to start a build thread, given your skills and attention to detail it would be a great thread (hint hint)  |
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Post by 78466noM on Mar 15, 2017 21:17:10 GMT 10
If the wife says after the millard has the major things finished as like cars they keep evolving I think we need a bigger van I am going to hold my ears and say la la la la la very loud.
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Post by Mustang on Mar 24, 2017 18:26:45 GMT 10
One of our first likes that got put on the back burner (due to the previous Nationals) was to finish our curtains, with netting. Neither of us could sew, so we bought a machine from Spotlight for $100. & set into it.  Talk about a learning curve, we have been cutting/sewing/cutting again/sewing again all week. But nothing ventured, nothing gained.   Picked up these stick on aluminium tile sheets at Bunnys, a bit more BLING!!  |
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Post by tasmillard on Mar 24, 2017 18:51:04 GMT 10
We are at 'curtain' time too, interesting you got a machine for $100. Looking good as always, although i spotted dirt on the first image... no wait, it was my screen (bet your heart slipped a beat).
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I rekcon my annex would be 100kg in itself with the poles and canvas. So I've moved all of that back to the axles.
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