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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 14:53:00 GMT 10
Hi all
After some info if anyone can help. We bought a 16ft Millard and are renovating her, when i asked about the rego was told it was 1974.
We need to have the GTM of the van, i know we can take it over a weigh bridge, but very interested in what it would have been originally?
The chassis number is M.30097.
Also if anyone knows the original layout of the van i would be interested in seeing it or anything about the vacuum? braking system please
Thanks in advance
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Post by bobt on Dec 8, 2015 19:45:58 GMT 10
Gidday carlymick
Some pics of the inside and outside might help us give you an idea about the layout. as for the GTM it will depend on the layout. You may find someone on here will be able to give you a guesstimate..
bobt
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Post by snoops on Dec 8, 2015 20:19:47 GMT 10
Welcome to the forum.  Yeah, a good guesstimate is about as close as you will get without putting it over a weighbridge. A couple of pics would help this. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 9:23:41 GMT 10
We have gutted it now, lol, but it had a shower and metal double bed up the back along with a damn heavy airconditioner. The cooker was inside the door at right angles to the side of the van. and there was a club lounge at the front. There was a gas hot water system opposite the cooker.
I have tried to upload pics but it says they are too big, 325kb is the size of the pics
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Post by viscount6116 on Dec 9, 2015 14:26:14 GMT 10
Gday Carlymick and welcome If your caravan is registered and being the age that it is usually the tare and gtm is recorded on the paperwork. If it is no longer registered and the previous registration details are not known then in most states the GTM will need to be determined by an engineer or similar authorised person . The Tare weight (ie what it weighs on the day with no water ,gas or personal belongings inside standing bare on the weighbbridge ) will also need to be known if the caravan rego details are unknown AND if it doesnt have a CHASSIS NUMBER !!!  The GTM is the maximum load that can transfered to the ground through the wheels when the trailer or caravan is hooked onto your tow vehicle (this includes the payload in the van ie when it is loaded however does not include the towball weght) and is determined by multiple factors ie tyre and axle capacity,chassis capacity as well as spring and wheel bearing capacities Also different braking options are necessary depending on the GTM and ATM (the maximum weight that the caravan can weigh on the weighbridge fully loaded by itself ) and the state in which you live Many trailer manufacturing companies may also be of help in determining the GTM however the above component capacities must be known in order to determine the GTM Good luck with your project Cheers Andy |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 14:48:38 GMT 10
Andy, I guess that also the weight capacity rate of the tyres is very important. If the van have 13" light truck tyres then each tyre have a rate of 680 kg so the fully loaded van should to weight more than 1360 kg.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by viscount6116 on Dec 9, 2015 15:15:59 GMT 10
Andy, I guess that also the weight capacity rate of the tyres is very important. If the van have 13" light truck tyres then each tyre have a rate of 680 kg so the fully loaded van should to weight more than 1360 kg. Correct me if I am wrong. Gday Gitano How the GTM is determined is that the engineer would look at all of the component weight capacities and then determine the actual figure by which component has the least capacity IE theoretically chassis x1 1500kg springs x2 1350kg Axle x1 1600 kg Wheel bearingx2 1800 kg Tyres x2 1360 kg rims x2 1300 kg in this case the lowest capacity is1300 kg on the rims and therefore the GTM would be set at a figure of 1300 kg (so the maximum weight allowed on the wheels and axle would be 1300 kg or under However as the ball weight is not part of the GTM if we assume a 10% ball weight .... 130 kg (this would have to be verified on a weighbridge as ballweight is determined by how the caravan is loaded and changes) then in theory the maximum this caravan could weigh on a weighbridge by itself (ATM )would be around 1430 kg Keep in mind that if a caravan is recertified and has a compliance plate fitted then all weights and capacities on that new plate must not be exceeded Cheers Andy |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 9:29:01 GMT 10
Hey guys, thanks for the welcome,
We do have the rego info, but services SA wont give out what the GTM is, they say we have to take it over a weigh bridge. It has 14" tyres, but old measurements of 16.95.14 so will be upgrading to light truck tyres
We have 7 leaf springs on it.
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Post by viscount6116 on Dec 11, 2015 9:31:45 GMT 10
Hi Carlymick
My Viscount caravan is also registered in SA and both the Mass and GTM are recorded on the Registration Certificate . If you don't have the registration papers then I would probably approach the old owner for the rego papers or service SA again because the GTM is determined by either an engineer or the caravan manufacturer and cant be determined on a weighbridge because the GTM is a maximum weight rating determined by the suspension components, tyres rims and the chassis
The only thing related to the GTM that can be verified on a weighbridge is whether the caravan is overloaded or not but the GTM rating must be known in order to ascertain this
Cheers Andy
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Yeah, a good guesstimate is about as close as you will get without putting it over a weighbridge. A couple of pics would help this.
