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Post by Mustang on Sept 17, 2016 19:45:13 GMT 10
You guys are AMAZING what dedication to eradicating a bl**dy mess. And all in a day!!! Butyl mastic....YEAH....Plenty of thunder in the background, just finished stage one in time. The black paint looks sh8t , but how straight is that cladding! Great job. Cheers PS: I learnt what a J rail is I thought it was the edge strip?    |
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Post by tasmillard on Sept 17, 2016 21:06:42 GMT 10
Thanks mate... i think theres a few names out there for that item. More work tomorrow if weather holds up.
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Post by 78466noM on Sept 18, 2016 4:37:55 GMT 10
Looking very good I know what you are going though with that bitumen tape it was on my roof they didn't do the seams like yours but over the top of the J-rails and roof I tried turps grease and wax remover and gave up I have cleaned off what I could and the rest is covered with the flat aluminum bar so all worked out what I should have tried was diesel it eats roads when spilled on it. if you do try diesel wear a good quality face mask and heavy duty rubber gloves the fumes are carcinogenic so better to be safe than sorry. I wish the millard roof was designed the same with the overlap like your viscount would make it much easier to seal instead it has two sheets that come together with a gap and a million staple holes that the J-rail and mastic have to keep together and sealed. have fun and stay safe Bruce  |
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Post by tasmillard on Sept 18, 2016 6:52:20 GMT 10
Bruce - we tried using diesel (thought the same as you did) but it wasnt powerfull enough. This glue was hard to remove and only by soaking scourer pads in petrol did it move. I know what you mean about the Millard, when I did the j-rails it too had staples also. I cant understand how staples would be effective in that manner.
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Post by atefooterz on Sept 18, 2016 10:19:33 GMT 10
Bruce - we tried using diesel (thought the same as you did) but it wasnt powerfull enough. This glue was hard to remove and only by soaking scourer pads in petrol did it move. I know what you mean about the Millard, when I did the j-rails it too had staples also. I cant understand how staples would be effective in that manner. The staples would set the cladding stable for finishing. I could see a time delay between sheeted up to having mastic j rail fitted depending on how busy the factory was. Cladding stapled to timber frame late Friday, Monday mastic and j rail fitted,as an example. |
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Post by 78466noM on Sept 18, 2016 20:45:51 GMT 10
Bruce - we tried using diesel (thought the same as you did) but it wasnt powerfull enough. This glue was hard to remove and only by soaking scourer pads in petrol did it move. I know what you mean about the Millard, when I did the j-rails it too had staples also. I cant understand how staples would be effective in that manner. The staples would set the cladding stable for finishing. I could see a time delay between sheeted up to having mastic j rail fitted depending on how busy the factory was. Cladding stapled to timber frame late Friday, Monday mastic and j rail fitted,as an example. Yes the stapling worked well for that reason they also stapled the cladding to the aluminum frame on mine trouble being I think they gave the staple gun to a young bloke who used it as a machine gun lots were a long way out from being covered by the J-rail .  |
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Post by atefooterz on Sept 18, 2016 23:32:06 GMT 10
The staples would set the cladding stable for finishing. I could see a time delay between sheeted up to having mastic j rail fitted depending on how busy the factory was. Cladding stapled to timber frame late Friday, Monday mastic and j rail fitted,as an example. Yes the stapling worked well for that reason they also stapled the cladding to the aluminum frame on mine trouble being I think they gave the staple gun to a young bloke who used it as a machine gun lots were a long way out from being covered by the J-rail . I can imagine someone being taught 4th hand about "no need to be too fussy as the j rail covers the staples", 3 of whom are clueless as to how wide the j rail is. |
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Post by tasmillard on Sept 19, 2016 7:33:49 GMT 10
Its amazing what a bit of sealant will do  Already can see areas that are no longer leaking around the hatch and thats considering we didnt even do the hatch are yet! Hopefully the entire roof will be dont be end of the weekend so can concentrate back on completing the j-rails. |
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Post by tasmillard on Sept 23, 2016 18:30:51 GMT 10
So, another day and another 6 hours on the roof. Gitano and I at it again and managed to get it done. Next will be the j-rails. What an effort... NEVER get that stuff as it doesnt seal and it becomes an ants nest.
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Post by Mustang on Sept 23, 2016 19:19:17 GMT 10
Good riddance to the black stuff. I suspect you will be looking forward to some "easier" jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 19:45:48 GMT 10
One step done, many to come but IMO the roof it is OK now.
The last 2 tapes were a pain to remove!!
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Post by tasmillard on Sept 23, 2016 20:11:13 GMT 10
Everything else will be easier, and more fun I hope!
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Post by 78466noM on Sept 24, 2016 0:34:42 GMT 10
Looks like you have finished one giant step looking real good.
I thought they only made one type of bitumen tape yours doesn't seem to have been impregnated into a thick cloth still the same though didn't seal nice home for ants and only stuck to the 80% that that helped funnel the water inside.
have fun hope it is all easier jobs for you from here on
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Post by tasmillard on Sept 24, 2016 16:10:04 GMT 10
OK, finished the j-rails!!! This one was a pain. It had silicone between the annexe track and the j-rail and there was no way to remove them. It just confirms that if you aint using butyl mastic, stick with sikaflex as its going to be an adhesive anyway. But finally done and dusted, glad to see that back of it.
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Post by Mustang on Sept 24, 2016 16:54:16 GMT 10
Big step out of the way with the J rails. That hatch looks similar condition to mine:  |
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Post by tasmillard on Sept 24, 2016 17:16:11 GMT 10
not sure what to make of the hatch. Its alloy base with a fibreglass top, although very rough so a home job or factory?? Oh and I am not going to go bling like you mate, ill leave that realm to you |
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Post by atefooterz on Sept 24, 2016 23:41:37 GMT 10
not sure what to make of the hatch. Its alloy base with a fibreglass top, although very rough so a home job or factory?? Oh and I am not going to go bling like you mate, ill leave that realm to you How stuck and leakproof is the glass mat? Is it thicker than 1mm? Maybe use a miracle wheel on a drill to remove old FRP & burnish alloy & just lay a new membrane? If no holes in alloy bigger than *5mm wide then one layer of 200gsm cloth to look neat or chopped strand for blokey look. Throw some white pigment into the layup mix and what you now have is finished upon cure. Buy some "peel ply" this goes over the layup and screeded to remove uneven excess resin and as a bonus also leaves a fine linen finish when torn/ peeled off past green cure. Undersides just paint matt black or a colour to suit the interior. * Just use gaffer tape under side of hatch, to stop resin layup falling past the cloth and flush with underside visible hatch surface. |
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Post by 78466noM on Sept 25, 2016 10:13:31 GMT 10
Bugger about that sail rail lucky there was a little thought given when it was put on and had all screws line up with original holes must be a popular spot to install it along the top with mine they just sat it on drilled new holes and left the original screws in j-rail.Lucky for me it was one of the few places they didn't use silicone . Now I have square tube aluminum to replace timber the sail rail is going along the side.
have fun and stay safe Bruce
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Post by tasmillard on Sept 25, 2016 17:45:25 GMT 10
So as a final touch, gave the roof a bit of a clean with the karcher. It was a good test to see if there was any leaks as the roof was completely flooded with water. Its still not perfect with some bitumen tape left on the rails but much better now.  |
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Post by Mustang on Sept 25, 2016 19:59:16 GMT 10
Hard to believe its the same roof!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 20:59:01 GMT 10
Next he will go over with steel wool and Purple polish to repel the heat from the sun. |
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Post by 78466noM on Sept 25, 2016 21:03:07 GMT 10
 from what it was to now I would say you have it very very close to perfect most importantly no leaks I nearly done a happy dance in the rain when I finally found I had fixed the last roof leak 
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Post by atefooterz on Sept 25, 2016 22:20:45 GMT 10
A vastly improved looking roof!
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Post by tasmillard on Sept 26, 2016 6:15:08 GMT 10
Yes I am happy with the way it looks now. All the effort by Gitano and I has paid off, now we can relax with doing easier tasks (I hope)! Mind you, the rear window and panels is going to be another mammoth effort...
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Post by Mustang on Sept 26, 2016 15:48:41 GMT 10
Have a think about this treatment for your roof. An extra sealing of the seams & UV repellant, I found it excellant at $160.00 the kit.  |
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Already can see areas that are no longer leaking around the hatch and thats considering we didnt even do the hatch are yet! Hopefully the entire roof will be dont be end of the weekend so can concentrate back on completing the j-rails.
from what it was to now I would say you have it very very close to perfect most importantly no leaks I nearly done a happy dance in the rain when I finally found I had fixed the last roof leak 