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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 7:40:19 GMT 10
OK the time is approaching fast...too fast 
I need to start thinking about painting the outside of the van.. 
What type of paint should I use ? The people I bought it from have sprayed(rough) it and after testing with turps and metho, believe they have just used an enamel (house paint).
So in the other thread about the fibreglass pop-top we came to the conclusion that it will get painted with heat reducing additive in the paint which I will be able to add to the roof paint on the cladding as it goes into any paint.
From what I've read up on painting fibreglass most state to use the water based enamel as it is tuff but still flexible.
So what paint should I use and I'm thinking I want like to paint it by hand over a week or 2
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Post by atouchofglass on Mar 19, 2015 9:37:37 GMT 10
The paint type is really up to you. I used a two part car paint. Very tough but also you need to be careful with the prep and safety as it is toxic. Atogs '68 Olympic ON the other hand Brucenan did his Sunliner with an enamel and a roller Brucenan's vans Many choices. Just depends on what your pocket can handle and how much practice you have with a spraygun or roller.  I've seen Brucenan's van up close and it still looks good with the enamel and roller. If I was to do it again and depending on the interior I was aiming for. I'd seriously consider his option. Cheaper - easier - no special equipment required. Or You could go all out and try a fully customised paint job. Swellwilly's Sunliner was a great build and truly unique. Swellwilly's custom vanCouple of extras Sutcac's Sunliner JBJ's Olympic Cheers Atog |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 10:07:51 GMT 10
I'm a 100% sure it won't be 2 pack....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 10:14:02 GMT 10
I agree that van has come up nice just using a roller and enamel...
Now the 3 million dollar question....should I use water based enamel or as it is also called acrylic epoxy. There are a number of places are saying it is better then oil based enamel as it is more flexible but just as hard wearing..would love to know if anyone has tried it.
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Post by tim on Mar 19, 2015 15:15:34 GMT 10
My biggest concern would be the house paint that is already on there. I'd be concerned about how well it is staying adhered and whether it might react with whatever you apply over the top. It would be a nightmare if you put on a beautiful smooth coat and found that it all wrinkled up after 15 minutes.
Tim
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Post by codger30 on Mar 19, 2015 21:37:52 GMT 10
Lockyer, just gone through this step on my van. I had to sand most of it back first, I had to use 80 grade paper. Took some time, but worth it. I read on here (or sister forum) that someone used Supercheap enamal. Tell you what, that's not bad stuff, about 50 bucks for 4L & the white came up pretty good. As was said on here before, do it in a couple of coats, LET IT DRY BEFORE THE NEXT COAT, be patient & if you get a run, buy a sticker to cover the run!!! Lol. Whoever suggested the Supercheap paint, I thankyou, very happy with it. Cheers, Bryan
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Post by Mustang on Mar 21, 2015 8:35:17 GMT 10
I recently enquired at a tradies paint shop. The guy suggested water based acylic as the surface will be far from perfect, & also use a semi gloss. they also suggested enamel would not stretch like the acyrlic & it would highlight the many imperfections.
TIP, as posted by codger30 the first coat must be dry, sometimes this can take days. When I was painting bicycle frames the tip was if you could still smell the paint close up, it wasn't dry.
The day I come up to painting I'm going to use test "like" surfaces.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 7:13:29 GMT 10
I recently enquired at a tradies paint shop. The guy suggested water based acylic as the surface will be far from perfect, & also use a semi gloss. they also suggested enamel would not stretch like the acyrlic & it would highlight the many imperfections. TIP, as posted by codger30 the first coat must be dry, sometimes this can take days. When I was painting bicycle frames the tip was if you could still smell the paint close up, it wasn't dry. The day I come up to painting I'm going to use test "like" surfaces. So Brent are you going to use acrylic ? I have read how others have used "Solargard" etc on there vans and wondered if it lasted or looked good.
I went to my local paint store and basically they want to sell me $80 epoxy primer and $200+ epoxy enamel. There thoughts on using an acrylic enamel was it is for houses not aluminium caravans.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 7:52:39 GMT 10
We hand painted millard with Luxury thermal paint over 3 yrs ago. Have had no problems at all!
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Post by bambang on Mar 31, 2015 8:00:05 GMT 10
You could try the Wattyl product called "METAL DEFENCE" ( not sure if they still make it but you might find some old stock at a Wattyl Trade Paint Centre )....it's a water-based gloss acrylic specifically designed to go onto metals even without a primer, it is quite thin/runny so perfect for spraying (in fact hard to get a good finish by brushing because you need multiple coats to hide the brush strokes) and probably get a pretty good finish with a roller. The paint is much harder wearing than Solargard or other house paint (and because it's less viscous you can get a finer less dimpled finish) but it is more flexible & slightly less scratch-resistant than solvent-based paints. I have used it and because it's water-based it won't "burn" any underlying or residual water-base paints. But it may be a bit hard to track down as it was never a mass-appeal line. Anyway just a thought...good luck with the project - Steve.
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Post by Mustang on Mar 31, 2015 8:26:55 GMT 10
The common thread here is water based acrylic.
Wheather one uses enamel or semi is a matter of the surface you have prepared..
I'll be spraying & I will go for a semi gloss as I don't want to highlight the dozens of dents.
I'll repair as many as I can but it will be far from perfect.
From what I have read here I think a top grade etch primer is as important as the paint you choose, when I painted my hatch , (fiberglass over metal,) the brand suggested it was suitable for aluminium surfaces.
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Post by tedalley on Apr 1, 2015 8:44:02 GMT 10
Well if anyone is interested.
When I had all the windows out.
I sanded all the flakey bits then scrubbed down with sugarsoap.
I intended to spray but it was the windy season & I couldn't wait.
I then used a roller and used "Dulux Metalshield Etch Primer" 'cause I ended up with a lot of bare metal bits.
I left it about a week and used "Dulux Metalshield Preium" again with a roller.
It ended up OK I'm happy with the result.
Ted
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Post by Mustang on Apr 1, 2015 16:52:35 GMT 10
Well if anyone is interested. When I had all the windows out. I sanded all the flakey bits then scrubbed down with sugarsoap. I intended to spray but it was the windy season & I couldn't wait. I then used a roller and used "Dulux Metalshield Etch Primer" 'cause I ended up with a lot of bare metal bits. I left it about a week and used "Dulux Metalshield Preium" again with a roller. It ended up OK I'm happy with the result. Ted Thanks Ted, These are the examples we need, keep em coming folks  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 20:20:19 GMT 10
Hi all,first time here I would like to know oil base gloss paint be ok with acrylic primer or etch primer thanks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 20:40:26 GMT 10
sorry I should have said what type van I have its a 11ft Millard Micro pop top 1978 which I just Brought it thanks
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Post by doublechevron on Apr 21, 2015 20:52:25 GMT 10
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Post by bobt on Apr 21, 2015 22:22:25 GMT 10
hey Shane,
Nothing wrong with working to keep the costs down. The acrylic vs enamel has been the subject of many discussions, to my knowledge neither have ever caused anyone grief. Now if I recall correctly.. some time way back a fella was restoring a Millard and used 'cheap' pressure cans to paint it. Hopefully he will pop up and tell us how it stood the test of time. Well the time he had contact with it..
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Post by pisces51 on Apr 21, 2015 23:08:23 GMT 10
It was crap, plain and simple!  It wore off when I tried to remove the excess new sealant with turps, which was a week or so after I painted it. Wouldn't ever waste my money and time on cheap spray cans of paint again. Within a year of painting the van, the bits that hadn't worn off turned a real dull colour, due to the sun. Had a go at polishing the dullness out, but ended up with paint on the polishing cloth. Need I say more??!! The only part of the van that still looked good when I last saw the van four years after I sold it, was the front lower section where I brush-painted it with white Taubmans oil-based gloss enamel, straight over the top of the crappy spray paint. cheers, Al.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 8:13:16 GMT 10
Hi all,first time here I would like to know oil base gloss paint be ok with acrylic primer or etch primer thanks Hi I believe you can put an oil based paint over an acrylic primer but not the other way around. Im waiting on my laptop to be repaired and then will update on the paint I have used - hate typing on this phone ! |
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Post by snoops on Apr 22, 2015 18:35:35 GMT 10
Will be using 2 pack on mine - DuPont Imron range (almost run proof - amazing paint technology (no involvement with DuPont, just love this product)), but one of my best mates runs an industrial refinishing business, so that's cheating I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 12:33:25 GMT 10
OK after doing a bit of reading on this and others forums plus talking with different paint shop's and the large hardware stores, I was still as confused as ever so I contacted a couple of the companies that member/s had posted in the fibreglass thread ?
Well both Australian and Luxury Paints said basically the same thing, their products were roof paints and were hard wearing and the paint could take dirt, rain , sun , cold , bird crap, would flexi with movement etc etc but there products are designed to reduce heat and seal the roof as well.
So I went to the closest Luxury Paint store which wasn't to far away - Ipswich and spoke with the store manager and he stated he had sold there product to a number of people who were repainting there caravans and had not heard of any problems but he point out you MUST use there primer and top coats. So I took the leap of faith and bought 4ltrs of the primer and ordered 4ltrs of the white top coat. It is called Coolit Ceram see here for details on the primer and here for details on the top coat/s.
It cost me close to $150 for primer and paint, and it is not what you think when I say paint, it is more like yogurt in it's consistency, I found when using a brush you get a smoother finish (not flat) and when rolling you get a stipple finish but it looked OK to me, dries fast and has a 70% gloss.
I have no idea how good it is or isn't but will advise if I have any issue's with cracking or peeling but being able to use a brush or roller has allowed me to be able to do different sections of the caravan when I get time and in between trips.
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Post by tim on Apr 27, 2015 10:30:52 GMT 10
Keep us posted. I'm probably going to have to do my parent's van later this year.
Have you tried the roller, then brush technique? This is how my Dad paints his boat. You roll the paint on which gives a quick even cover, then quickly go over with a brush to even out all the stipple marks. It really needs two people, but its very quick and gives a very good result.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 13:52:51 GMT 10
Your on to it Tim. Its called roll and tip and works really well. Hers a small fibreglass laser yacht I rolled and tipped, cant see any reason why it would not work with a caravan Before  The After  Cheers Scotty |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 14:21:33 GMT 10
Keep us posted. I'm probably going to have to do my parent's van later this year. Have you tried the roller, then brush technique? This is how my Dad paints his boat. You roll the paint on which gives a quick even cover, then quickly go over with a brush to even out all the stipple marks. It really needs two people, but its very quick and gives a very good result. Tim Thanks for that tip, will do this when I paint the sides and back, it will made the van look a lot better cheers |
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Post by Mustang on Apr 27, 2015 18:20:34 GMT 10
I would be happy with that finish!!!
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