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Post by Mustang on May 21, 2015 17:15:10 GMT 10
From your pics, your ply seems recoverable & in good nick generally. And its a pleasant colour.
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Post by doublechevron on May 21, 2015 22:22:59 GMT 10
From your pics, your ply seems recoverable & in good nick generally. And its a pleasant colour. THe ply is the perfect pattern that should be used in all caravans. You see it's bright so make it seem lighter inside the caravan .... and all the heavy grain printed into it hides and moisture damage very well.... it just looks like a part of the "fake grain" in the wood seeya, Shane L.
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Post by bobt on May 21, 2015 23:05:48 GMT 10
Love the layout of this van, it would have been good for us when the kids were little, now they are not and I am happy they don't come with us.
Keep the pics and updates coming..
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Post by doublechevron on May 26, 2015 15:53:26 GMT 10
Love the layout of this van, it would have been good for us when the kids were little, now they are not and I am happy they don't come with us. Keep the pics and updates coming.. Well last weekend I whipped upto bunnings and grabbed some pine to do the frame repairs with. None of this stuff I'm repairing is structural, so we don't need exotic timbers. I also remember my father has a nice little slide saw .... Given he wasn't home at the time, to say "No your not having it, I'm sick of you breaking my stuff" ... I took that as a "yes" to I could use it so chucked that in the back of the car too I've been looking at envy at Mustangs new concreted, sealed garage with enough height for a caravan and 4post hoist ( ) This is how dodgy I am... When we purchased our place it had two really crappy garages, that were obviously built using already 2nd hand materials 30+ years ago. Somehow or other they don't need permits or anything 'cos they have always been there (I dont' understand it ... but that's how it works). I have these two sheds, a modern 12 x 7.5 shed and a 10 x 7 carport ... the only thing they had in common was the old chesney wouldn't come even close to fitting under any of them .... So I partially knocked down the shittiest one (leaving walls on for cross bracing so it wouldn't collapse in a heap).... Then slowly working my way around and around after chopping through the uprights lifted it up. I welded in new metal and that height and dug secondary foundation holes and T'd the uprights over to them as well... to make sure the foundations were plenty strong enough for the higher walls ... Nuts right ... you can see how much higher it is from the edge flashing. Then I bought this windsor ... in the two weeks I had before it was delivered ... I realised I once again had a caravan that needs resealing, that I can't fit into any shed. So I knocked a 4meter section of wall sheets off the back wall... cut through the horizontals with a chainsaw and ran a heap of left over top hat baton back to the other shed... so I now have a 9.5 x 4meter section in the crappy old 6 x 6meter shed. It cost nothing (and looks like it) but at least I have a waterproof area to re-seal and repair the caravan in! seeya, Shane L.
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Post by bobt on May 26, 2015 16:54:47 GMT 10
I love a shed with some character. All you need to do is go grab some more 2nd hand roofing iron and perhaps some viagra for the shed and let it grow a bit more?
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Post by Mustang on May 26, 2015 18:42:26 GMT 10
Hah, your wallet is still full mine is empty!!!!!!
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Post by tedalley on May 26, 2015 22:40:19 GMT 10
I wish I had a shed to work on my van. When I lived in the country I could build whatever I wanted as long as it was more than 30mt from any boundary fence. Oh those were the days!!!
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Post by atefooterz on May 27, 2015 8:58:53 GMT 10
Being broke and living on the road in an unfinished resto, at least i do not get shed envy! haha
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Post by doublechevron on Jun 4, 2015 14:43:23 GMT 10
I can't believe I'm making a post about splashing some paint on drawbar that needed absolutely no repair. It appeared to have only it's original undercoat, paint then some very, very thick grey/silver paint over the top.... Maybe the original owner had a 44gallon drum of silver paint, and repainted it with the same stuff each year. It was cracked, split and had to be stripped back to bare metal. This simple little drawbar took Three of these one of these one of these One of these And finally one of these ... These things are particually effective. a few brands sell them, there like a nylon weave. Usually called "strip it" discs or similar. The paint was so ugly it was even melting into these (which generally strip anything without clogging up). This took hours over a couple of weeks. So obviously by the time I was ready to paint .... it was bloody freezing cold and wet. With the distant weather forcast showing nothing over 10degrees .... sigh.... I ended up cranking up the space heater and painting it with a brush. I still need to scuff it and apply a 2nd coat. www.bunnings.com.au/white-knight-1l-rust-guard-quick-dry-advanced-enamel-satin-black-_p1560460I used this paint. White Night satin black self priming. I'm very impressed with it. I was going to wire brush and paint the rest of the chassis with one of the moisture cured urethanes (eg: POR15) but this stuff has impressed me. Not only did it apply well, it's still well stuck to my hands 24hours later. It hasn't rubbed, flaked or washed off my skin at all (great when you have to go to work right ?). seeya, Shane L.
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Post by Mustang on Jun 4, 2015 19:14:25 GMT 10
After all that prep, you can stand back & admire Just change that Baldy!!!!!
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Post by doublechevron on Jun 4, 2015 21:28:49 GMT 10
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Post by atefooterz on Jun 4, 2015 22:24:01 GMT 10
I endorse that white knight stuff, the hammertone variant, I tried some on a just turps wiped & small stone chip rust converted areas under the caravan original painted chassis, after being a bit fussy on the A frame. The only area with any issue after 6 months was the rear roller wheels where the paint has scuffed off, when bottoming out, but not on the sides of those wheels. So full marks to this gutzy urethane and a great way to just preserve an area for a few years before going the total refurb.
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Post by Mustang on Jun 5, 2015 6:56:40 GMT 10
How the hell do you find time for all this stuff? Vincent alone takes all my time!! The car in 1963 compared to an EJ Holden must have been something very exotic.
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Post by doublechevron on Jun 5, 2015 10:30:48 GMT 10
How the hell do you find time for all this stuff? Vincent alone takes all my time!! The car in 1963 compared to an EJ Holden must have been something very exotic. Just ask my wife, everything is half done, never working and dodgy LOL..... Oneday I'll find the time and money to fix the ugly pink car properly. For now I drive it around in it's very ugly 52year old mostly original paint There's very little time, and absolutely no money with three young kids on a single income ..... But hey, life is great
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 17:32:56 GMT 10
Love your outlook on life, I can remember having a bench full of air grinders,3/8 drill, etc plus power drills and cordless drills, and hand grinders. It took me 2 weeks to clean and clear one of my work benches and my 2nd bench which is my air brushing/painting bench still has stuff on it from the repair of our van, I must finish tiding it up as I starting to paint my fishing lures again.
cheers
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Post by doublechevron on Jun 28, 2015 21:51:47 GMT 10
I finally found some time to spend on the caravan..... Gee's it takes me forever to get around to stuff. I can actually cut a straight line with the use of one of these saws... That's gotta be a first. As a computer programmer I sure do make a crap carpenter LOL (I much prefer working with metal myself). Simple trial and error to get the angles and length right. I just marked and cut as close as I could, then stuck the bits of wood into the caravan to see if the angle had to less or more... Then because that slide saw had an angle gauge, you just add 2degrees +/- until you get exactly what you need (yeah I suck at measure stuff like angles. These are the bits I replaced. It's all glued and screwed together so the repairs will be far stronger than the stapled together hardwood that was there originally. Fortunately I've been able to access the corners that need to be replaced. It would be a PITA if you had to remove the cladding. It would be almost impossible without destruction. Same thing for the lower back wall. I think I'll pull all the windows and vent covers and see if there is any other frame repairs that are needed before I start any sealing up and re-assembly. seeya, Shane L.
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Post by Mustang on Jun 29, 2015 19:49:29 GMT 10
Those little drop saws are great for this type of work.
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 1, 2015 10:28:15 GMT 10
Moving along ... back at the start of this thread I was concerned with the window I pulled out just to have a look... Black wood I've found == completely rotten... No "if's or buts" it's no good. I just squeezed with my fingers and broke it all up this deeply.... it's like wet tissue paper. I figure this rot is like rust.... cut the entire area out and weld in new metal I mean somehow put new wood in there. carefully break it out after cutting through. it's rotten so you don't need brute force. Cut the frame upright through .... no point leaving even a trace of rotten nuts there That looks better ... and is probably no "less strong" than before........ Replacement wood with lots of bracing to re-enforce the areas (it'll be very much stronger than it was when built). I was wondering how on earth I was going to cut out the corner bits as they were bigger than the wood I purchased.... Then it hit me .... I have piles and piles and piles of broken pine boards there. I must have 30 bits of this around from the training seminars over the last 6months that I haven't yet burnt. I found no matter what I tried, I couldn't fit the replacement section of wood in .... hmmmm.... I figured all I needed to do was fit the lower brace first. I screwed a big screw into it so I could hold onto it without it falling down into the wall while I drilled out the first screw hole. I actually managed it first attempt without loosing the wood down in the wall.... trying to lay on my back and hold/assemble cars in dark restricted impossible to access places must finally have paid off All that practice wasn't for nothing Looks good here ... but does the window fit ? Perfect! It's a crying shame about the moisture damage there But it is 100% completely hidden with the inner window surround fitted, and curtain hanging. I might force some wood glue down into the damaged ply to glue all the layers back together in the meantime. I won't be hiding this with paint or anything. I'd rather see it there if I was buying a caravan than have it hidden behind paint! I now need to unscrew and remove it all and re-fit with plently of glue. That'll lock it up solidly ... stronger than new! I found if I found the inner decorative trim from all the windows I could clearly see the frame. Quite a few of the windows have moisture damage under them (all hidden by the curtains in the very corners). However there is only one other window that will need any repairs to the frame. I fluked picking the worst window by far just to have a look at seeya, Shane L.
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Post by atefooterz on Jul 1, 2015 10:57:34 GMT 10
Some great tips and ways to get around fitting things into thin air Shane! One comment if you or inspired folks reading this thread may consider for the long term, is to treat the new timber with a penetrating expoxy or similar, to prevent rot. While products like everdure are expensive they work. A cheaper way may be some layers of very thinned varnish to soak in. The cavity of a van can have moisture suck up from many places, parked over grass after a rain then heating up when the sun comes back. hen you see damage it is mostly because of trapped water, rather than just water comming in and falling out again. Wet timber against plastic trim is a good example.
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 1, 2015 11:07:49 GMT 10
Some great tips and ways to get around fitting things into thin air Shane! One comment if you or inspired folks reading this thread may consider for the long term, is to treat the new timber with a penetrating expoxy or similar, to prevent rot. While products like everdure are expensive they work. A cheaper way may be some layers of very thinned varnish to soak in. The cavity of a van can have moisture suck up from many places, parked over grass after a rain then heating up when the sun comes back. hen you see damage it is mostly because of trapped water, rather than just water comming in and falling out again. Wet timber against plastic trim is a good example. That's a good point... I was thinking "It'll never leak again so it'll be fine".... But it will suck moisture up. I'll coat all of the areas with varnish as it'll soak into the soft pine I'd imagine (oil would probably be ok, but it'd dry out over time to quickly I'd imagine). I'll paint this all when I pull it back out to glue, and paint the corner repairs too (the corner repairs are readily accessible ... this one won't be once fitted). Thanks for the feedback seeya, Shane L.
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Post by Mustang on Jul 1, 2015 18:53:39 GMT 10
Good for you not painting. I also have re-used some water stained ply if it hadn't delaminated. The two rounded ends were saved by re-gluing. The next owner will appreciate the work thats been performed without the charade of cover up.
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Post by tasmillard on Jul 1, 2015 20:47:19 GMT 10
I am really diggin the citroens... love french cars and theres a few here in Tassie that i admire and think i would like to have one. Great work on van, i also painted my aframe black, looks much better than silver.
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 2, 2015 10:31:20 GMT 10
I am really diggin the citroens... love french cars and theres a few here in Tassie that i admire and think i would like to have one. Great work on van, i also painted my aframe black, looks much better than silver. Tired, desperate old Citroens just seem to seek me out .... Dunno how Speaking of which .... Check this out ... www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Citroen-DS-21-1970/SSE-AD-3480835/?Cr=0given the crappy photoshopped pictures I'd say it's a desperate heap of nuts..... But .... I *can* see the squiggly gearstick sticking out of the top of the steering column through the windscreen. When means it's a very rare ( in Australia ) DS21 BVH ... ie: hydraulic gearbox. There a bog standard manual gearbox but hydraulics do the donkey work of engaging/dis-engaging the clutch and moving the gearbox selectors. Brilliant things to drive when setup right (you just move the little gearstick lever through it's gate ... it's a hydraulic control block that tells the gearbox which gear to move too). If I wasn't so money and time poor I'd already be looking at it Back to caravans, I noticed last night when I pulled another bunk window out ..... You know, those rubbers seals are still soft, I think I just need to pull the windows apart and refit all the seals so there locked into place, then use a dab of windscreen sealer (black in colour and adhesive) at the edges to join all the seals up "as one". Has anyone figured out an easy way of removing the rock hard old mastic from the cladding, window side is easy, you can break it up with a screwdriver like lumps of dried out clay. I don't want to risk scratching up all the cladding by using a screwdriver though! seeya, Shane L.
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Post by atefooterz on Jul 2, 2015 14:35:52 GMT 10
I would imagine chemical warfare would de mastic without damage, toluene or turps ? A balance of enough to swell and lift without diluting and spreading the gunge. A mates first serious love then marriage was to a Citroen obsessive. 30 odd years and a divorce later she still loves and has a 1960s Citroen, 2CV?? reliably restored, the baggage is she is known as the Citroen Queen by her mates who are obsessed with same same 2010 onwards boxes of disposable transport
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Post by doublechevron on Jul 2, 2015 15:02:07 GMT 10
I would imagine chemical warfare would de mastic without damage, toluene or turps ? A balance of enough to swell and lift without diluting and spreading the gunge. A mates first serious love then marriage was to a Citroen obsessive. 30 odd years and a divorce later she still loves and has a 1960s Citroen, 2CV?? reliably restored, the baggage is she is known as the Citroen Queen by her mates who are obsessed with same same 2010 onwards boxes of disposable transport My mother has a 2cv ..... I tend to borrow it whenever she's not around to say "LEAVE MY CAR ALONE" .... It's absolutely hilarious. My son loves it! I should fit a car seat into next time my parents aren't about and take him for a spin in it ...... he'd think it's hilarious with the roof flapping about ....... (not to mentions the doors ... .and windows... and well everything flapping about in the breeze ). The mastic is so hard, I"m not sure about anything liquid moving it .... I might try making myself a wooden scraper/chisel out of the soft pine here and see if it works (or just breaks). Certainly I'll give the turps a go though! seeya, shane L.
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